Cont: Qanon Conspiracy Theories Part Two

[Leftus]

But since Reagan, no President wants to look unpatriotic or anti-military. Personally I think it's nice, but I also don't think it's necessary .

Yeah, I think it's going to take a former general to get elected and not return a salute do to his or her training.

and a bit more off topic, but it bothers me on TV and movies where they salute in the office and are uncovered. Apparently hiring someone who served to call BS on it is either not in the cards or the trope is so ingrained that not seeing it would bother people.

 

[beachnut]

A hot mic caught Biden saying 'I dont know what I'm signing' as he signed something with Kammy looking on.

Then he mumbled 'salute the marines' as he walked past them with out saluting, as if he was repeating what he hears in his earpiece.

Tell me you haven seen any signs of dementia in him

Most of your post is projection... windmill cancer, was that dementia or insanity (okay, it was insane dementia)


As president I don't have to salute, or return the salute, I would be a civilian... why are you spreading BS?

 

[Resume]

Started with Reagan. To my knowledge no President had done so before. It's not a requirement, and technically civilians shouldn't salute anybody, and in America are not required to do so even in a military reservation.

But since Reagan, no President wants to look unpatriotic or anti-military. Personally I think it's nice, but I also don't think it's necessary .

Former President Bone Spurs stood there saluting on a WH balcony after being discharged from the hospital for COVID-19 treatment. For what or whom I have no idea . . . Perhaps to inspire his moronic base, though it inspired me to note he was doing it wrong: he needed to extend is right arm straight out to most accurately reflect the moment.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Okay, off topic here, but I find it odd that a non military president salutes troops.

Yes I know that here the royal family do it, but they have either served or have honorary military ranks, but they only salute when in uniform. Even military personnel in uniform do not salute unless wearing headgear.
I guess as CIC the president has a military rank of sorts, but even so, is never in uniform.

There you go, off topic but just a niggle I have.

I agree, In the RN an officer without a cap wasn't saluted and you never salute anyone in civvies and you never salute if you are in civvies.

 

[Resume]

A good AP article on Q-casualties.

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Ceally Smith spent a year down the rabbit hole of QAnon, devoting more and more time to researching and discussing the conspiracy theory online. Eventually it consumed her, and she wanted out.

She broke up with the boyfriend who recruited her into the movement, took six months off social media, and turned to therapy and yoga.

“I was like: I can’t live this way. I’m a single mom, working, going to school and doing the best for my children,” said Smith, 32, of Kansas City, Missouri. “I personally didn’t have the bandwidth to do this and show up for my children. Even if it was all true, I just couldn’t do it anymore.”

After a year, Smith wanted out, suffocated by dark prophesies that were taking up more and more of her time, leaving her terrified.

Her then-boyfriend saw her decision to move on from QAnon as a betrayal. She said she no longer believes in the theory, and wanted to share her story in the hopes it would help others.

“I was one of those people too,” she said of QAnon and its grip. “I came out on the other end because I wanted to feel better.”

Good for her.

 

[dudalb]

I think that Qanon has become the most sucessful conspiracy theory of all time, in terms of doing damage to the United States.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I guess as CIC the president has a military rank of sorts, but even so, is never in uniform.

Off topic : That was a really interesting question. I wondered if Eisenhower could wear his uniform when he was president. I tried to look it up, but ended up on a web page, showing George Washington in his uniform as president.

Short answer is I don't know.

Whitehouse History / Presidents in uniform
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/galleries/presidents-in-uniform

 

[gmanontario]

Former President Bone Spurs stood there saluting on a WH balcony after being discharged from the hospital for COVID-19 treatment. For what or whom I have no idea . . . Perhaps to inspire his moronic base, though it inspired me to note he was doing it wrong: he needed to extend is right arm straight out to most accurately reflect the moment.

My BIL who is American and a veteran of Vietnam screamed at Trump for that sloppy idiotic salute just to make him seem patriotic and bold while looking down on the unwashed masses.

I've never heard him use so many creative curse words arranged like that before. I wish I was there to see and hear it instead of the video my sister made. He was a Trump supporter but now hates him but is still republican.

 

[Axxman300]

I think that Qanon has become the most sucessful conspiracy theory of all time, in terms of doing damage to the United States.

It speaks to two things: The power of social media over stupid people, and the lack of critical thinking on a basic level.

I think the US is in trouble.

 

[Foster Zygote]

The "salute the Marines" thing is like that idiocy from a few years ago, when Obama and his wife were watching a flag-folding ceremony, and the RWers got some lip-readers to claim that Michelle said "all that for a damn flag," when what she actually (probably) said was "it's amazing how they fold that flag." (Lip readers were needed because the video was taken from a distance that meant you couldn't hear what she said at all) It couldn't be proven either way, but the righties predictably went into full pearl-clutching mode over the interpretation that let them do so.

And a major component of the interpretation error is suggestion. Say to someone, "Hey! Watch this video of Michelle Obama saying 'all this for a damned flag' ", and they'll hear just that.

I remember an episode of one of the better investigative shows from back when The Discovery Channel and The Science Channel used to show actual, you know, science content. I think it was Is It Real?, which was quite well done. In a segment about EVPs they played a bit of electronic noise that was purported to be a human voice saying "help me!". But they pointed out that the audio was so ambiguous that it could have been interpreted as almost anything. To prove the point they said, "now imagine it is saying 'fluffy!', and played the audio again, and your brain heard it as "fluffy!".

If you took 100 English speaking people who had never seen any of those videos, and had not been exposed to any a priori suggestions about what they supposedly say, you'd get a huge variety of interpretations.

 

[turingtest]

And a major component of the interpretation error is suggestion. Say to someone, "Hey! Watch this video of Michelle Obama saying 'all this for a damned flag' ", and they'll hear just that.
I remember an episode of one of the better investigative shows from back when The Discovery Channel and The Science Channel used to show actual, you know, science content. I think it was Is It Real?, which was quite well done. In a segment about EVPs they played a bit of electronic noise that was purported to be a human voice saying "help me!". But they pointed out that the audio was so ambiguous that it could have been interpreted as almost anything. To prove the point they said, "now imagine it is saying 'fluffy!', and played the audio again, and your brain heard it as "fluffy!".

If you took 100 English speaking people who had never seen any of those videos, and had not been exposed to any a priori suggestions about what they supposedly say, you'd get a huge variety of interpretations.

Which is exactly what was done in that second video I posted, with the captioned" I don't know what I'm signing" to help you hear what you might otherwise not. And even with that helpful prodding, it still didn't sound like anything but a mumble to me.

But the Bubbas of the world will hear what they need to in order to believe what they want.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Which is exactly what was done in that second video I posted, with the captioned" I don't know what I'm signing" to help you hear what you might otherwise not. And even with that helpful prodding, it still didn't sound like anything but a mumble to me.

But the Bubbas of the world will hear what they need to in order to believe what they want.

If they really wanted to go to town, they'd start listening to the audio backward.

 

[deaman]

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

- Paul Simon, The Boxer -

 

[Leftus]

Which is exactly what was done in that second video I posted, with the captioned" I don't know what I'm signing" to help you hear what you might otherwise not. And even with that helpful prodding, it still didn't sound like anything but a mumble to me.

But the Bubbas of the world will hear what they need to in order to believe what they want.

Even if he were not clear as to what he was signing, it's still a so what moment. I'm not the president, but I'm sure his aides know which ones he will sign, and have discussed it, arranged the photo ops, of any number of bills he is going to sign into law that day or week. Not knowing which particular one at that exact moment in time is not an issue.

But yeah, it's a clear mumble, and could be anything. "which one am I signing" is just as likely as anything else, and not a sign of anything.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Even if he were not clear as to what he was signing, it's still a so what moment. I'm not the president, but I'm sure his aides know which ones he will sign, and have discussed it, arranged the photo ops, of any number of bills he is going to sign into law that day or week. Not knowing which particular one at that exact moment in time is not an issue.

But yeah, it's a clear mumble, and could be anything. "which one am I signing" is just as likely as anything else, and not a sign of anything.

And compare that to Trump's habit of wandering off stage or out of the room.

 

[Axxman300]

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

- Paul Simon, The Boxer -

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be
Is always better than nothing

- Michael McDonald & Kenny Loggins, performed by the Doobie Brothers.

 

[Thermal]

And a major component of the interpretation error is suggestion. Say to someone, "Hey! Watch this video of Michelle Obama saying 'all this for a damned flag' ", and they'll hear just that.

I remember an episode of one of the better investigative shows from back when The Discovery Channel and The Science Channel used to show actual, you know, science content. I think it was Is It Real?, which was quite well done. In a segment about EVPs they played a bit of electronic noise that was purported to be a human voice saying "help me!". But they pointed out that the audio was so ambiguous that it could have been interpreted as almost anything. To prove the point they said, "now imagine it is saying 'fluffy!', and played the audio again, and your brain heard it as "fluffy!".

If you took 100 English speaking people who had never seen any of those videos, and had not been exposed to any a priori suggestions about what they supposedly say, you'd get a huge variety of interpretations.

For those who haven't seen it, search up "Bad Lip Reading" on YouTube. Fun takes on what someone could have been saying

 

[Jim_MDP]

For those who haven't seen it, search up "Bad Lip Reading" on YouTube. Fun takes on what someone could have been saying

Really the Star Wars ones are my favorite (no spoilers), but a few of the others really knock it out of the park.
See their YT channel, everyone.

 

[dudalb]

CNN's hour report on Qanon airs tonight.

 

[eerok]

There's also a three-part docuseries from Vice called QAnon: The Search for Q.