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Just received this indication of the benefits of Brexit in an email from a company I've bought wine from in the past:

One of our best sellers to the UK market, the Vidigal Porta 6, before the BREXIT at 3.60 GBP plus shipping, it will be now 3.19 GBP plus 2.23 GBP excise and 20% VAT tax, so a total of 6.50 GBP per bottle.

The shipping cost is the same in terms of transport cost but it takes per order an extra fee of 9.79 GBP for the exportation customs dispatch so it means that if you buy more than one case of 12 bottles, you will save money since it’s a flat fee per order and not per case.

In the end a bottle of Vidigal Porta 6 that in the past was around 4.7 GBP with all taxes and shipping included, will be now between 7 and 8 GBP depending on the number of bottles ordered.
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I'm sure this will be a fillip for the nascent British viticulture industry. :rolleyes:
 
GlennB said:
Meanwhile, supermarkets are reporting a shortage of certain fresh veg - cauliflowers, broccoli and lettuce, among others. Our upcoming Sainsbury's delivery might be short of a few veg and other things. MrsB is worried about her regular delivery of authentic (i.e. smelly) Camembert, though I'm more of a Cheddar man myself. A bottle of Malbec has been put in as a substitute for a box of Merlot :eek:
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Do you ever get the feeling Boris Johnson made a poor job of Brexit and lied to us all?

I am old enough to remember when Amber Rudd was forced to resign for lying.
 
gypsyjackson said:
All nice places to visit, and in particular Copenhagen and Dutch cities would be livable. Luxembourg would drop off my list due to the high lost of living, as might Sweden. You could probably add a smattering of Southern European cities as well to the list of acceptable places for Brits to move. Plus Dublin. Tallinn is a great city, where a couple of my friends live, but when I visited last it was minus 16...

I think your point 2 will be more difficult to meet these days than desire to move, though. Without FoM, how many would be eligible ahead of an EU candidate for the job?
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Well, it has dropped as low as -21°C at night in Finland and daytime has been -11°C but do you know what? I am much warmer here than I ever was in England with draughty houses and the heating turned full on up to 25°C. Thanks to necessity being the mother of invention, the buildings here are the height of architectural design, with advanced heating and air-conditioning, plus a sauna. I have had a problem scraping ice and snow off the car so am now investing in a DEFO heating system (Norwegian) which you just plug up to your personal heat socket in your parking space and voila the car is ready to drive away whenever you are ready. Winter tyres are also mandatory but luckily I have a barn where I can store the summer ones, otherwise it costs up to €80 pcm to store them at a 'tyre hotel'.

As soon as the snow falls there are guys out there immediately clearing the roads. Four guys turned up yesterday to clear the snow off the roof.

I honestly can't think of any downsides. Days are getting longer already and apart from road issues, I absolutely love the snow. It's expensive here because people are better off. (When I last came to London, I was shocked at how cheap food in the supermarkets was.) Nurses earn a minimum £25Kpa and the lowest state pension is €1,200 pcm - these are the lowest 25% median. Teachers are really well paid. No homelessness, little crime and virtually zero overcrowding.
 
Darat said:
The EU based studio is not in any major city, think of an old style soviet industrial town that has - via a lot of terrible EU money - had quite a redevelopment over the last 10 years. And there are no international schools nearby - in fact there really is nothing nearby - transfer from the airport is a 2 and a half hour journey.
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I used to go to Craiova on business. That kind of place I imagine? Not somewhere I would want to take the family but we had a few expats who had their families in Bucharest and they did 3 or 4 days in each.
 
Darat said:
Not going to say as it would be pretty easy to identify them - I asked permission to talk about them and they are fine as long as they can’t be identified by what I say. Their story may appear in the media soon so all the details will be out there.

One “comfort” of the UK is that the majority language is a form of English, in the other country they pretend to not understand English even when things are said very loud and very slowly!

As I said these are mostly “mature” people (if you didn’t know “mature” is a popular euphemism when we want to comment legally about someone’s age! Mature = older) They have roots put down, partners, children at school, homes and so on. To move permanently would be to tear all that up.


ETA: In case you think these are Little Englanders - they aren’t really, just average people. Most of them were used to going working in the other studio for weeks at a time, sometimes months but there is a huge difference between a temporary assignment were the company pays for your living costs, flights back to the UK every weekend and moving over there lock stock and barrel with your family.

And as I said they may not even be eligible to move, being more mature quite a few of them haven’t come up the academic route so don’t even have required paper qualifications. From my small amount of research it appears that they will have to have sponsored employment so if they left the company for any reason they’d have to move straight back to the UK.
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Apparently British professional qualifications are no longer automatically recognised so even that could be a problem when applying for visas and residence permits. It'll have to be agreed on a merits basis unless the professional body can negotiate a recognition in that country.
 
Vixen said:
AIUI if the person sending the goods is an Amazon seller (rather than Amazon itself) then they are responsible for all handling cost and cannot hold Amazon liable for them. However, when you buy goods from Amazon and they accept the delivery address you have chosen (IOW this seller or Amazon itself has consented to send it abroad for the specified postage shown). The postage cost is added on. End of.
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I don't really know why you are complicating this. Amazon have sent it. Their job is done. Import taxes and duties are the responsibility of the recipient. Those are nothing to do with postage.

The person who send me the package shouldn't have to worry any further.
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No they won't have to worry further. But someone has to pay the import taxes and duties if you want to receive the parcel.

In my experience, having sent stuff to Finland from the UK via Amazon, they usually do it via Amazon EU anyway, based in the Netherlands or similar.
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Obviously not this time.

Amazon de wouldn't let me register with them as they had me down as UK, although, strangely I've had no problem registering with Amazon USA, but cannot download kindle or mp3 stuff.
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You shouldn't be limited from using Amazon.de I have used it before. Unless it's changed since Brexit.
 
Vixen said:
Nope. I sent an email to the UPS guy who cleared it last week with Finnish customs and he replied, 'Seems the British have a problem over there with Brexit as they haven't scanned it yet. It's all clear our end. We can't say when you'll get it'.

If only I'd offered to pay the customs fee at the time. Now it is at least €54 (three days plus first three days no fee) so probably disproportionate to the value of the parcel.

UK: the world seems to be laughing at you!!! SORT IT OUT!!!
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This explanation literally makes no sense. If it's in Finland then the British are done with it.
 
Vixen said:
Well, it has dropped as low as -21°C at night in Finland and daytime has been -11°C but do you know what? I am much warmer here than I ever was in England with draughty houses and the heating turned full on up to 25°C. Thanks to necessity being the mother of invention, the buildings here are the height of architectural design, with advanced heating and air-conditioning, plus a sauna. I have had a problem scraping ice and snow off the car so am now investing in a DEFO heating system (Norwegian) which you just plug up to your personal heat socket in your parking space and voila the car is ready to drive away whenever you are ready. Winter tyres are also mandatory but luckily I have a barn where I can store the summer ones, otherwise it costs up to €80 pcm to store them at a 'tyre hotel'.

As soon as the snow falls there are guys out there immediately clearing the roads. Four guys turned up yesterday to clear the snow off the roof.

I honestly can't think of any downsides. Days are getting longer already and apart from road issues, I absolutely love the snow. It's expensive here because people are better off. (When I last came to London, I was shocked at how cheap food in the supermarkets was.) Nurses earn a minimum £25Kpa and the lowest state pension is €1,200 pcm - these are the lowest 25% median. Teachers are really well paid. No homelessness, little crime and virtually zero overcrowding.
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Finland, Sweden, Norway are models for how to run a modern, western society. Sure, they're not perfect but they get so many more things right than we do in the UK. If only we weren't so arrogant, we could learn a lot from them.
 
I am also awaiting a fancy light I stupidly ordered on impulse from a 'Black Friday' advert (I know, I know). This was late November 2020. It was a posh-looking French firm. I have dropped them a line asking where was my stuff. At first they claimed it was because they ran out of stock and it would be with me soon. Last week I asked again and this time they blamed it on Brexit! Some guy called 'Gaulthier'. I wrote back, 'you are in France I am in Finland, what has Brexit got to do with it?' I can only imagine they have a UK outlet and were targetting the UK market. Maybe I'll get it in time for next Christmas. It was going to be a Christmas present for someone.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Finland, Sweden, Norway are models for how to run a modern, western society. Sure, they're not perfect but they get so many more things right than we do in the UK. If only we weren't so arrogant, we could learn a lot from them.
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I was amazed to see that in Norway over 50% of cars on the road are now electric. Wow.

(I wasn't sure about getting an electric car due to recharging uncertainties so settled for a hybrid.)
 
From the [URL="https://www.standard.co.uk/business/business-news/url-cars-extra-cost-brexit-fiesta-b872198.html"]EVENING STANDARD[/URL] Massive hike in price for two popular Ford models - up to £1,700 more expensive due to post-Brexit tariffs:

British motorists will have to pay up to £1,700 more for two popular Ford models this year after they were hit by new post-Brexit tariffs.

The manufacturer has increased the list price of the sports versions of the Fiesta and Puma ranges, which are both made in the European Union and exported for sale in the UK.

The price rises come as hauliers warn that delays at Calais and other French ports are set to worsen as the number of trucks returns to normal levels and customs officials step up checks.

The three models of the Fiesta ST have gone up by between £1,455 and £1,695 to a maximum of £28,770. The recently launched Puma ST was available to order from September priced from £28,495 but this base price has increased to £30,415.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Weren't the fishing industry supposedly among the biggest supporters of Leave and the greatest beneficiaries of Brexit?

Fishermen now feel ****** by Leave lies and Tory betrayal just like the rest of us.
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Indeed. About 92% of fishermen voted Leave. Quite a sobering majority, given how things have turned out.
 
Vixen said:
I am confident the Finnish customs guys know their job better than the Brits.

I believe Amazon UK just were not ready and have sent parcels to the EU without the correct paperwork.
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Customs is a pretty simple serial process. If the docs aren't right in one place they don't pass it on to the next one.

So either someone made a mistake or the only other explanation I can think of is that it left the UK before Jan 1 and arrived in the EU after Jan 1?

if I didn't have the right paperwork it should never have been sent let alone cleared UK customs. And if it hasn't cleared UK customs then it can't have been legally sent to Finland. And yet it sits in Finland.

If it's fallen into the Jan 1 transition black hole then God knows what happens to it. Probably a controlled detonation. I wouldn't be paying it if it's more than the value of the item. That's for sure.
 
wobs said:
Indeed. About 92% of fishermen voted Leave. Quite a sobering majority, given how things have turned out.
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Bugger all sympathy for idiots who did a stupid thing and didn't either think or through or listen to people who had the capacity to think it through on their behalf.
 
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