Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[pgwenthold]

According to multiple reports, the woman killed was part of a group trying to break through the last door to the chamber where dozens of legislators were sheltering. If she herself wasn't an immediate threat to life, the raging mob certainly was. Putting the cop on leave is routine; it doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

And this was not a "few protesters." Hundreds, if not thousands of rioters roamed the building freely. Some were armed, and some assaulted police. One cop has died. They did extensive damage to the facility, and they stopped a joint session of Congress to ratify the next President. It will be a national humiliaton for decades that police allowed this to happen.

At least three bombs were found in DC.

These people came armed and with explosives and wearing "Civil War" shirts.

They were also white nationalists and nazis, but that is separate from the issue of what they were doing.

 

[shemp]

I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.

I understand the 'emotional' issue, the violation some US citizens feel. But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. They did not even organise a sit in! They did not line people up against the wall and shoot them; that is what happens in real coups.

Shooting demonstrators in the streets is what happens in third world countries, the outcome of the policing here was good one person shot is one too many. I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs. Perhaps someone here knows the nature of his injuries?

That does not mean I support Trump or these right wing nut cases, I would politically be a Saunders supporter. But even right wing nut cases should not be shot down. Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/01/semi-naked-climate-protesters-disrupt-brexit-debate

WHERE THE **** DID I ADVOCATE SHOOTING DEMONSTRATORS IN THE STREETS??? This woman was part of a mob of people who had destruction and lynching on their minds! This officer did the right thing! Other officers abdicated their duty to protect our duly elected representatives and the constitutional working of our government, and their actions endangered those who were inside the building! Every one of these cops who abdicated their duty should go to prison for being accessories! PERIOD!

I don't know what planet you live on, but on this planet, when a mob breaks into your house with weapons and intent to use them, you have every right to defend with whatever force is necessary and legal.

Your argument is ridiculous. There were thousands of people there, many of whom were armed. Hundreds of them broke into the building, not a few. These people were not "protestors" they were rioters.

 

[The Don]

At least three bombs were found in DC.

These people came armed and with explosives and wearing "Civil War" shirts.

They were also white nationalists and nazis, but that is separate from the issue of what they were doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah ....... but the real threat comes from Muslims, AntiFa and BLM.

 

[Darat]

I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.

I understand the 'emotional' issue, the violation some US citizens feel. But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. They did not even organise a sit in! They did not line people up against the wall and shoot them; that is what happens in real coups.

Shooting demonstrators in the streets is what happens in third world countries, the outcome of the policing here was good one person shot is one too many. I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs. Perhaps someone here knows the nature of his injuries?

That does not mean I support Trump or these right wing nut cases, I would politically be a Saunders supporter. But even right wing nut cases should not be shot down. Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/01/semi-naked-climate-protesters-disrupt-brexit-debate

Is there any evidence at all that she was executed?

 

[turingtest]

I spent most of the day thinking, "Trump tweeted while Washington burned...."

I kept wondering how many of the people storming the US Capitol and carrying Confederate flags were gasping in outrage when Colin Kaepernick took a knee during the National Anthem before a football game- "OMG! He's disrespecting the US!" Purt' near all of 'em, I would reckon. (And the ones who cheered when Kaepernick lost his job over his action are probably screaming "PC! PC!" over these "patriots" who have lost, or will lose, their jobs over being identifiably involved in this. Cry me a river.)

 

[Tero]

Trump signed an executive order last summer giving 10 years automatic for desecrating national property.

 

[johnny karate]

I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.

I understand the 'emotional' issue, the violation some US citizens feel. But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. They did not even organise a sit in! They did not line people up against the wall and shoot them; that is what happens in real coups.

Shooting demonstrators in the streets is what happens in third world countries, the outcome of the policing here was good one person shot is one too many. I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs. Perhaps someone here knows the nature of his injuries?

That does not mean I support Trump or these right wing nut cases, I would politically be a Saunders supporter. But even right wing nut cases should not be shot down. Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/01/semi-naked-climate-protesters-disrupt-brexit-debate

Why do people feel the need to downplay what happened?

And more importantly, why do these same people think any of the rest of us are going to buy it? We all saw it happen live on television. We’ve seen all the horrific footage that’s been released in the interim. We know what happened. And it wasn’t “a few protesters who broke into a public building”.

Peddle your ******** elsewhere.

ETA: Oh, and that police officer whose death you’re downplaying and spreading lies about? He was murdered. He didn’t “fall down stairs”. He was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher by the violent right wing terrorists who invaded the U.S. Capitol in an attempted coup.

 

[slyjoe]

Why do people feel the need to downplay what happened?

And more importantly, why do these same people think any of the rest of us are going to buy it? We all saw it happen live on television. We’ve seen all the horrific footage that’s been released in the interim. We know what happened. And it wasn’t “a few protesters who broke into a public building”.

Peddle your ******** elsewhere.

Agree with this. And the officer that died didn't fall down stairs. He was hit with a fire extinguisher in the head.

Eta : And in planigale's post the quote "Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents." - it wasn't political opponents, it may have been political allies - half the cops may be Trump supporters. I don't know, and neither do you. What it really was is an intruder v. police.

 

[shemp]

Trump signed an executive order last summer giving 10 years automatic for desecrating national property.

And the irony will be lost on the rioters convicted under it.

 

[shemp]

They didn't do more damage, simply because the security cop shot that 'protester' dead. That stopped them surging in.

That cop deserves a medal and a promotion. The cops who took down barricades and let people in, and who gave directions to offices and posed for selfies, should be fired, prosecuted, and spend the next 10 years in prison!

 

[slyjoe]

And the irony will be lost on the rioters convicted under it.

No judge will impose that. Trump's EO can't apply to the judiciary.

 

[shemp]

I don't feel bad for him. I do however, feel bad for his family.

Wars have collateral damage. If you don't want to hurt your family, don't go off to war.

I say tough **** to him. How many children have been orphaned when parents died of Covid? Trump should personally pay child support for them.

 

[crescent]

The cop sho shot the protester has been suspended - which tells us ABSOLUTLY NOTHING.

They ALL get placed on admin leave after a shooting, no matter how obviously justified. A cop who shoots someone gets put on leave - that's normal now.

 

[Max_mang]

Probably not too relevant but the policeman was also a Trump supporter.

He died fighting the same people the man he supports inspired.

Right-wingers will just use that as more "evidence" that all the violence was antifa/blm.

 

[johnny karate]

Unless Trump pardons them all (is that even possible?), some of the rioters will face serious charges and rather long prison sentences, and deservedly so.

The sad and infuriating thing is that the instigators, the Trumps, Giuliani, Cruz, Hawley, Gohmert e tutti quanti will be either pardoned (the Trumps, Giuliani), or are extremely unlikely to ever face any real consequence for what they did.

It should be noted that in addition to all of the instigators in the GOP, six Republican lawmakers actively took part in this violent terrorist act.

Let that sink in.

There’s been a lot of talk about what the response would have been had this been a BLM protest, but imagine if on top of that, six Democratic lawmakers took part in an attempted coup.

Do you think that anyone on the Right would ever forgive that? Do you think that anyone on the Right would ever let that go and not tar and feather every Democrat with it until the end of time?

Everyone should keep that in mind in the coming weeks, months, and years as we watch these disingenuous scumbags in the GOP feign indignation at the idea of being associated with the violent terrorist attack that their party committed.

The rot in the Republican Party is deep and profound.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Again we can point out that "Well if the left had done this..." all day long and let me be one hundred percent very clear here we would be absolutely right do to do so.

But that doesn't change they fact that it won't matter and it won't change because the Republicans don't care.

They don't care that they are hypocrites, they don't care that they have double standards, they don't care that X would happen differently if the shoe was on the other foot.

They go into every discussion, every scenario, every debate with one simple assumption already in place... "We're already correct. We're the real Americans."

Of course they don't follow the same rules as the Left. That's insane. That's like wanting to know why prison guards and prisoners don't have to follow the same rules. That's like wanting to know why parents get to dictate bed time to their children but children don't get to dictate bedtime to their parents. There's no double standard, that's silly. One side is just already by fiat the correct one.

They grab power because they honestly and deeply believe they are entitled to it. So there's nothing else to prove and nothing else to earn for them.

And all it's lead to is... well them winning. They have 3 Justices on the Supreme Court, we didn't get any. There will be less political and legal blowback from this insurrection at the Capitol then the Democrats have gotten from Hillary's e-mails.

They get their way and win because they have no standards to hold them back.

 

[Vixen]

The cop sho shot the protester has been suspended - which tells us ABSOLUTLY NOTHING.

They ALL get placed on admin leave after a shooting, no matter how obviously justified. A cop who shoots someone gets put on leave - that's normal now.

My worry is that although he was wearing a mask, he will be recognisable. He'll need to have his ID changed.

 

[Armitage72]

Trump signed an executive order last summer giving 10 years automatic for desecrating national property.

Things like that are only supposed to benefit them and hurt "the other guy", not vice versa.
It's like the state legislatures that approved government funding for religious schools and were horrified to discover that Muslim schools were eligible.

 

[Bob001]

Another concern: Superspreader event.

Thousands of Trump supporters dismissive of the virus’s threat packed together with few face coverings — shouting, jostling and forcing their way indoors to halt certification of the election results, many converging from out of town at the president’s urging. Police rushed hundreds of members of Congress to crowded quarters where legislators say some of their colleagues refused to wear masks as well.

“This was in some many ways an extraordinarily dangerous event yesterday, not only from the security aspects but from the public health aspects, and there will be a fair amount of disease that comes from it,” said Eric Toner, senior scholar at the John Hopkins Center for Health Security.
.....

“It is a very real possibility that this will lead to a major outbreak but one that we may or may not be able to recognize,” said Toner. “All the cases to likely derive from this event will likely be lost in the huge number of cases we have in the country right now.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/08/capitol-coronavirus/

 

[Mader Levap]

If it was an actual planned coup attempt it was not very well planned or coupy enough.

I am not sure why you are surprised at Trump's omniincompetence. He is incompetent in everything, including things that would be beneficial for him if properly done, like COVID response... or this half-assed stupid coup attempt. I think weeks ago someone linked article about stupid coup attempts and how they ended mere months later.

I think no one deserves to be executed. (...) But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. (...) I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs.

What it is with Trump apologists always lying about what happened?