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Trump's Executions Drive

angrysoba said:
Just because you have a particular power, it doesn't mean it is right to use it.

Would you apply the same idea to him just detonating a nuke, because, hey the electorate gave me the power to do it?
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Seriously???
You think that comment has any relevance in a thread about not carrying out legal executions because there are only X number of days before he is no longer president?
There were legal federal executions approved by the federal governments under all the presidents before Obama - GOP and Democrat. We are not talking about acts of lunacy that will end the world.

It is obvious that the opponents of the death penalty are looking for any reason to oppose an execution taking place.
Why not be honest about it and use an honest argument/statement about stopping all executions rather than making up some sort of arbitrary and silly argument about "best before" dates of terms of office? :confused:
 
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turingtest said:
(Shrug) Ok, evidence accepted. Now would you care to address the whole point I was getting at, in the part I've bolded, but which you apparently decided to ignore in favor of going on your (insert appropriate word here) to score some meaningless internet points? I mean, your evidence shows that some people who are released from death row go on to kill again; my very next sentence said "don't release them unless exonerated." What would be your preferred solution? Just, what- kill them all and let god sort them out?
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Why do I have to make any statement about what to do with convicted killers? That was not the reason for my post.
This is a sceptics board. You made a completely ignorant and baseless assertion pretending it was fact and I corrected you.
Thank you for admitting you were not even trying to be factual and that the facts mean nothing to you.
I have no interest in further conversation with someone who makes it obvious they care so little about facts.
 
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rockinkt said:
Why do I have to make any statement about what to do with convicted killers? That was not the reason for my post.
This is a sceptics board. You made a completely ignorant and baseless assertion pretending it was fact and I corrected you.
Thank you for admitting you were not even trying to be factual and that the facts mean nothing to you.
I have no interest in further conversation with someone who makes it obvious they care so little about facts.
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(Chuckle) Well, alrighty then...
 
rockinkt said:
rather than making up some sort of arbitrary and silly argument about "best before" dates of terms of office? :confused:
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Pretty rich coming from "Obama shouldn't pick supreme court judge that close to end of his term, but somehow it does not count for Trump" republicans.

No worries, we all are used to rethugs being hypocritical degenerates.
 
The Atheist said:
Yay! Victory!

USA! USA! USA!

The disgusting murderer, Lisa Montgomery, who killed a pretty white chick by cutting a baby out of her womb, is due to be executed on 12 January.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us...from-mothers-womb/YFKXYVQ2YC3IS3IUCBTEVBXZXY/

Trump will have a wet dream about this one - a truly evil woman being put to death. No mental illness here, no sirree.
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That's interesting. I hadn't considered the relevance of it being Lisa Montgomery. Yes, she is a truly evil female. Now it is up to Trump if she lives or dies? I haven't followed this, but does Trump make comments or statements about those in the kill-line?

Thanks.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Says every absolute fan of Trump.



Yeah it as if we just don't want the government killing people. Crazy I know.
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Do you have anything intelligent to say or are you just going to keep on trying to paint me as a racist Trump Supporter.
You seem to be more interested in doing personal attacks that are totally false and obviously based on your imagination rather than presenting intelligent discussions.
If you have a cite that proves I am a Trump supporter - post it.
If you have a post that proves I am a racist - post
If you have a cite that proves I am pro death penalty post it.


BTW - governments do not kill people. Individuals tasked with various jobs within governments kill people. Take the US (please!). The US sends it's simple minded killers who actually volunteer to join their military because they want to kill someone in another country.
 
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Mader Levap said:
Pretty rich coming from "Obama shouldn't pick supreme court judge that close to end of his term, but somehow it does not count for Trump" republicans.

No worries, we all are used to rethugs being hypocritical degenerates.
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Are you serious? Please cite where I have ever stated such nonsense!
 
Yeah, on the whole, I am anti-death penalty, and I'm sorry if she's mentally ill, but this is one of the worst murders I have ever heard of. The victim was conscious and trying to fight while Montgomery ripped her open. I can't imagine the horror. I simultaneously believe the death penalty is barbaric AND that if anyone deserves it, she does. I don't think the death penalty is necessary or very useful and using executions to score political points is messed up IMO. I thought the last guy was borderline. I wonder what Biden will do about this case. Ethically, is he bound to commute her sentence?
 
wasapi said:
Yes, she is a truly evil female.
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I'm curious as to whether you read the story of her upbringing I linked to?

Minoosh said:
I simultaneously believe the death penalty is barbaric AND that if anyone deserves it, she does.
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Very good example of doublethink in action.

Where do you draw the line on barbarism that "deserves" the death penalty?

Obviously people like Eddie Gallagher don't count, and the filth who opened up on a group of innocent people with a half-inch cannon in Iraq in 2002, killing 12 people were doing their job, so I'd appreciate knowing what counts as worth executing a human being.

Nice to see people defending something that civilised countries threw out decades ago. And no small irony in the people who created the monster remaining unpunished as Lisa gets strapped to the gurney.

Pity it's not a firing squad.
 
The Atheist said:
I'm curious as to whether you read the story of her upbringing I linked to?



Very good example of doublethink in action.

Where do you draw the line on barbarism that "deserves" the death penalty?

Obviously people like Eddie Gallagher don't count, and the filth who opened up on a group of innocent people with a half-inch cannon in Iraq in 2002, killing 12 people were doing their job, so I'd appreciate knowing what counts as worth executing a human being.

Nice to see people defending something that civilised countries threw out decades ago. And no small irony in the people who created the monster remaining unpunished as Lisa gets strapped to the gurney.

Pity it's not a firing squad.
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I'd be happy dispensing with executions altogether. We have a system and a process for imposing the death penalty. I'm sure other people have done horrible things that they weren't executed for and I'm sure Eddie Gallagher is a complete *******. We had suspended executions nationwide in the '60s and early '70s, then Gary Gilmore came along and called everybody's bluff. Federally, Timothy McVeigh had been the last case for 20 years. GWB seemed to be happy to get out of the execution business. The respites were all some kind of gentlemen's agreement that Trump is so good at breaking. I don't like that the death penalty is still on the books. Cutting a baby out of a mother's belly while she is conscious and observing this? That's one of the cruelest things I've ever heard of. I don't care about her enough to feel sorry for her. I just don't.

If we want it off the books we should take it off the books, not depend on some unspoken honor system. Maybe I'll change my mind about this woman. Maybe I won't.
 
Update on the Montgomery scheduled execution. It is going ahead on 12 Jan 2021.

A US appeals court has lifted a stay of execution on the only woman awaiting a federal death penalty.

Lisa Montgomery strangled a pregnant woman in Missouri before cutting out and kidnapping the baby in 2004.

If the execution goes ahead, she will be the first female federal inmate to be put to death in almost 70 years.

Montgomery's execution date was originally set for last month but a stay was put in place after her attorneys contracted Covid-19.

It was then rescheduled for 12 January by the Justice Department. But Montgomery's lawyers argued that the date could not be set while a stay was in place.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55513158
 
The Atheist said:
I'm curious as to whether you read the story of her upbringing I linked to?
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The Atheist, I just now had a chance to read the link. What she went through growing up was horrific. The thing is, I have known people who had similar backgrounds. I had a taste myself being raised by a mentally ill mother. She sometimes chased me with a butcher knife, telling me she was going to some day "murder" me, and "get away with it".

I guess I am trying to point out is that many others have been abused - severely abused, physical and mental abuse, while growing up and did not become murderers or criminals. That Lisa Montgomery did, leaves me to believe she is evil.

Though I am not pro-death penalty, what crime Montgomery committed was so horrific, so over-the-top that I am void of sympathy for her.
 
wasapi said:
I guess I am trying to point out is that many others have been abused - severely abused, physical and mental abuse, while growing up and did not become murderers or criminals.
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Which merely assumes all lives, minds and impacts are the same.
 
Any country that holds a 'death penalty' option open for the judiciary should also hold a raffle. Winner presses the button. See how quick the armchair Pierrepoints change their position...
 
welshdean said:
Any country that holds a 'death penalty' option open for the judiciary should also hold a raffle. Winner presses the button. See how quick the armchair Pierrepoints change their position...
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I'm surprised Texas doesn't hold Death Penalty BINGO games in senior citizen residential care facilities. Give those old people a real prize to shoot for. Literally.
 
welshdean said:
Any country that holds a 'death penalty' option open for the judiciary should also hold a raffle. Winner presses the button. See how quick the armchair Pierrepoints change their position...
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Going by the joy many people seem to get from witnessing judicial murders in USA, I'm not sure you're right.
 
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