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Mark R. Levin
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Congratulations to Ted Cruz and these Senate colleagues for stepping up against the mob!

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BREAKING: A coalition of GOP senators and senators-elect, led by Sen. Ted Cruz, will object to the Jan. 6 certification of the election results when a joint session of Congress meets next week unless there is an emergency 10-day audit of the results.
 
So true. Thanks Josh!
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It’s time to STAND UP

Glad to see more Senators joining the fight on #JAN6. I hope many more will listen to their constituents and act
 
Aridas said:
At last check, a number of white supremacist organizations were literally pushing for their people to do that throughout the George Floyd protests, as just one of the ways that they actively worked to undermine the protests' effectiveness. That's alongside, for example, how the FBI literally felt the need to warn the police about said groups actively encouraging their members to try to give the police COVID, among numerous other tactics intended to harm or subvert the police.

Of course, white supremacists were certainly not responsible for all the violence. Let's not forget the role the police themselves played as they actively attacked non-violent protestors, damaged property to create excuses to crack down on protests, generally escalated the situations, and so forth... which they could do pretty much without concern that they would ever be held to account for their actions.

Black Bloc Antifa are not blameless, but the right-wing tries really, really hard to demonize them and wildly over represent the damage that they actually caused and the threat they actually pose.
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The thing that worries me about 6 January in DC is the potential for violence. The cops aren't always trustworthy, as has been shown elsewhere, and the right-wing goons are too eager to make it a war. I'd like to see everyone else just stay home.

Let the idiots pretending to be Antifa be harassed by the other alt-right jackasses.
 
eerok said:
The thing that worries me about 6 January in DC is the potential for violence. The cops aren't always trustworthy, as has been shown elsewhere, and the right-wing goons are too eager to make it a war. I'd like to see everyone else just stay home.

Let the idiots pretending to be Antifa be harassed by the other alt-right jackasses.
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Indeed. Antifa shoud just stay away, and let Trump's Stormtrooper volunteers beat up on the Proud boys. That would be a real LMAO
 
Trebuchet said:
Violence on Jan 6 is a certainty. Trump and his followers blaming it on Antifa/BLM is another certainty.
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Is there any reason for peaceful protestors to be there, though? When it comes to violence, I always care most for the protection of the innocents. Those who show up to fight, well, they've cast their lots.

If the right-wing goons try to block the streets in an attempt to interfere with the vote taking place, then it'll be between them and the police, and I hope that the fire hoses come out.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Congratulations to Ted Cruz and these Senate colleagues for stepping up against the mob!

Fox News
@FoxNews
BREAKING: A coalition of GOP senators and senators-elect, led by Sen. Ted Cruz, will object to the Jan. 6 certification of the election results when a joint session of Congress meets next week unless there is an emergency 10-day audit of the results.
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There isn't a legal way to do a 10 day audit. By law the counting begins January 6. No recess may be taken after the 5th calendar day.

There are only two ways to maybe do that. Unanimous consent by the joint session, which isn't going to happen. Or by not incorporating federal law when the joint resolution is passed providing for the joint session.

They say "In 1877, Congress did not ignore those allegations, nor did the media simply dismiss those raising them as radicals trying to undermine democracy. Instead, Congress appointed an Electoral Commission -- consisting of five Senators, five House Members, and five Supreme Court Justices -- to consider and resolve the disputed returns. We should follow that precedent."

But that isn't a precedent. That nonsense is exactly why Congress passed the Electoral Count Act of 1877.
 
eerok said:
The thing that worries me about 6 January in DC is the potential for violence. The cops aren't always trustworthy, as has been shown elsewhere, and the right-wing goons are too eager to make it a war. I'd like to see everyone else just stay home.

Let the idiots pretending to be Antifa be harassed by the other alt-right jackasses.
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The joint session begins at 1 PM. If there are objections to 6 states and a full two hours of debate each, that gets to 1 AM plus time to actually count the votes and move back and forth between chambers would probably put it closer to 3 AM.

When an objection is being considered the House or Senate may choose to recess until the following day. They could recess for up to 5 days. They might push things back at least a day or maybe more hoping most of the protestors will leave.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
The joint session begins at 1 PM. If there are objections to 6 states and a full two hours of debate each, that gets to 1 AM plus time to actually count the votes and move back and forth between chambers would probably put it closer to 3 AM.

When an objection is being considered the House or Senate may choose to recess until the following day. They could recess for up to 5 days. They might push things back at least a day or maybe more hoping most of the protestors will leave.
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I absolutely hope that the protestors will leave, but I'm afraid that things could still get messy. Of course it will be a long and boring process, and this might help.
 
eerok said:
I absolutely hope that the protestors will leave, but I'm afraid that things could still get messy. Of course it will be a long and boring process, and this might help.
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Nothing like 14 hours of rambling floor speeches and parliamentary procedure to get a mob riled up.

Hey, everybody, everybody. Listen! Just in! Following a point of order there was a call for the previous question without objection and a motion to reconsider was laid on the table! Let's go...um...wait. What does that even mean? Are you sure you have the words in the right order?
 
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DevilsAdvocate said:
Nothing like 14 hours of rambling floor speeches and parliamentary procedure to get a mob riled up.

Hey, everybody, everybody. Listen! Just in! Following a point of order there was a motion to call the previous question without objection and a motion to reconsider was laid on the table! Let's go...um...wait. What does that even mean? Are you sure you have the words in the right order?
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Surely it can't be as simple as boring the rabble into quiescence. Actually, it sounds plausible.
 
Aridas said:
When you've got his campaign apparently outright denouncing Wood and calling Wood a secret Democrat plant, at the very least it means that the perception of Wood as a prominent Trump ally to Trump supporters is whatever the viewer wants it to be.
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Trump has mentioned Wood in tweets several times- and as recently as two weeks ago. Wood has attended strategy meetings in the White House at Trump's invitation. (Yes, the last one ended up almost coming to blows, but still.) Deranged commentary has been paraphrased by Trump shortly after being issued by Wood on more than one occasion. He's obviously prominent and he sure seems like a Trump ally to me. The fact that some saner members of Trump's organization have been trying to get seperation recently doesn't change that.

His amazing meltdown has been covered by pretty much all major media...except Fox. Don't they cover the news?
 
trustbutverify said:
Trump has mentioned Wood in tweets several times- and as recently as two weeks ago. Wood has attended strategy meetings in the White House at Trump's invitation. (Yes, the last one ended up almost coming to blows, but still.) Deranged commentary has been paraphrased by Trump shortly after being issued by Wood on more than one occasion. He's obviously prominent and he sure seems like a Trump ally to me. The fact that some saner members of Trump's organization have been trying to get seperation recently doesn't change that.
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One would think so... but given the authoritarian, thoroughly unprincipled, and grasping at straws way that Trumpworld works, all that means a whole lot less than it would in more normal times or organizations. That Wood offered Trump a straw and Trump grabbed it is not, in and of itself, a particularly meaningful or stable claim to prominence.

trustbutverify said:
His amazing meltdown has been covered by pretty much all major media...except Fox. Don't they cover the news?
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To poke at an excerpt from something I wrote previously addressing FOX...

To be clear, I welcome hearing other views that are honest and principled. Fox is neither. Fox's goal is to get people to vote for their preferred Republicans and make a hefty profit while doing so. As a mainstay of how they do this, they work to effectively create an alternate reality for those that trust them. They do a good job at what they're trying to do, quite frankly, and know how to play to people's biases, even when delivering almost exactly opposite spins depending on whether a Democrat or a Republican did or said something. To poke at Fox a bit further, though, after having made a number of rather serious false statements, they were sued earlier this year. Their defense? To sum it up, "no rational, well-informed viewer would believe us" was their defense, which they proved so convincingly in court that they won the case. In short, Fox argued to a court of law that those who trust Fox are ignorant, gullible fools. Even before getting to the rest of their constant bad faith crap, do you think that those who argue that those who trust them are ignorant, gullible fools should even be allowed onto the playing field of consideration?
 
Aridas said:
At last check, a number of white supremacist organizations were literally pushing for their people to do that throughout the George Floyd protests, as just one of the ways that they actively worked to undermine the protests' effectiveness. That's alongside, for example, how the FBI literally felt the need to warn the police about said groups actively encouraging their members to try to give the police COVID, among numerous other tactics intended to harm or subvert the police.

Of course, white supremacists were certainly not responsible for all the violence. Let's not forget the role the police themselves played as they actively attacked non-violent protestors, damaged property to create excuses to crack down on protests, generally escalated the situations, and so forth... which they could do pretty much without concern that they would ever be held to account for their actions.

Black Bloc Antifa are not blameless, but the right-wing tries really, really hard to demonize them and wildly over represent the damage that they actually caused and the threat they actually pose.
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These are crib notes for Bubba.
 
eerok said:
The thing that worries me about 6 January in DC is the potential for violence. The cops aren't always trustworthy, as has been shown elsewhere, and the right-wing goons are too eager to make it a war. I'd like to see everyone else just stay home.

Let the idiots pretending to be Antifa be harassed by the other alt-right jackasses.
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With luck, some major jackass will start shooting, then all bets are off.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Nothing like 14 hours of rambling floor speeches and parliamentary procedure to get a mob riled up.

Hey, everybody, everybody. Listen! Just in! Following a point of order there was a call for the previous question without objection and a motion to reconsider was laid on the table! Let's go...um...wait. What does that even mean? Are you sure you have the words in the right order?
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Mr Chairman, I move that this point of order be heard and debated. I will need a seconder.
 
eerok said:
I prefer no shooting. The slight chance of correcting idiocy is still greater when the subject isn't on a slab.
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Totally agree.

Just that in the frothing frenzy these idiots are working themselves into, someone is going to mistake one of some other right-wing thugs' agent provocateurs as a real Antifa (whatever that is...) and open fire, like that young loon in Washington state did "protecting the police".

My thoughts are two:

1) Good, they are hurting only themselves. A self-limiting disease.;

2) Goddam! Not just COVID, but MORE Americans being needlessly hurt/killed by guns yet again!
 
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