Cont: Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

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It’s been @BorisJohnson’s personal pledge to get #Brexit done, and he has delivered, under intense pressure, what many thought impossible, a deal between sovereign equals. The UK has finally won back sovereignty.

I just wish I was 21 again, frankly, because my goodness what prospects lie ahead of us for young people now: to be out there buccaneering, trading, dominating the world again.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Apparently Ireland will be the first to leave.
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I wonder how the timeline for that looks in Farage's fantasy world.

Right now, the shambles that is Brexit has given the EU a big popularity boost in the member nations. So somehow that supertanker has to be turned around by the example of the phenomenal performance of the UK's economy. And it's to happen so fast that the EU simply evaporates within a decade.

Step 1 would appear to be dealing with the issue that moving out of our biggest trading block has tied our economy's legs together with red tape. One wonders where he imagines this economic miracle is going to spring from.

Of course one doesn't really. One simply rolls ones eyes as Foghorn Leghorn blusters yet more fantasy ********.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I wonder how the timeline for that looks in Farage's fantasy world.

Right now, the shambles that is Brexit has given the EU a big popularity boost in the member nations. So somehow that supertanker has to be turned around by the example of the phenomenal performance of the UK's economy. And it's to happen so fast that the EU simply evaporates within a decade.

Step 1 would appear to be dealing with the issue that moving out of our biggest trading block has tied our economy's legs together with red tape. One wonders where he imagines this economic miracle is going to spring from.

Of course one doesn't really. One simply rolls ones eyes as Foghorn Leghorn blusters yet more fantasy ********.
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I’ve heard manufacturers of red tape are rubbing their hands with glee...


 
Oh so you like an opinion poll.
So what?
Lots of opinion polls before the referendum predicted a remain win.

It's a poll, it's meaningless, it's not a vote.
Should we change course every time an opinion poll says something ? No.

Besides opinion polls can be steered with leading questions.
The leading questions don't get published only the final one.

It's not exactly scientific.
 
Airfix said:
Besides opinion polls can be steered with leading questions.
The leading questions don't get published only the final one.

It's not exactly scientific.
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like telling lies such as £350m a week for the NHS and a better trading deal with the EU than the one we had as a member?


**** off.

Name me one advantage or benefit you have gained from brexit?
 
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I didn't vote because of the bus. The £350m a week claim is based on the gross figure of £17.4m a year pre rebate.
But what that statement did do, was get the in campaign obsessing over the membership fee and reminding everyone that we were spending £170m a week on membership of a political customs union that forbade us from having an independent trade policy, agricultural policy or fisheries policy.

Trade with the EU had fallen from 57% of exports in 2000 to 43% by 2016.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindu...ade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21

Was it really worth spending £9bn a year on membership ? NO.

Is this deal perfect ? NO.
Is it in my view a better deal than the one we had before ? YES.

Better agricultural policy, better fisheries policy, independent trade policy and the ability to negotiate FTAs of our own.
Also non participation in dangerous EU military projects.
 
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What will be great is that we will now see the government pouring money into UK companies that they apparently wanted to do before but EU rules wouldn’t let us.
 
Airfix said:
I didn't vote because of the bus. The £350m a week claim is based on the gross figure of £17.4m a year pre rebate.
But what that statement did do, was get the in campaign obsessing over the membership fee and reminding everyone that we were spending £170m a week on membership of a political customs union that forbade us from having an independent trade policy, agricultural policy or fisheries policy.

Trade with the EU had fallen from 57% of exports in 2000 to 43% by 2016.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindu...ade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21

Was it really worth spending £9bn a year on membership ? NO.

Is this deal perfect ? NO.
Is it in my view a better deal than the one we had before ? YES.

Better agricultural policy, better fisheries policy, independent trade policy and the ability to negotiate FTAs of our own.
Also non participation in dangerous EU military projects.
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What is better about any of it?

All I see are general claims and handwaving.

You think that the £9bn we save by not paying in to the EU is greater than the hit to the economy from leaving?

What are the benefit to you ?
 
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25 years ago they all laughed at me.
Well, they’re not laughing now.
 
Airfix said:
Arcade 22, when the member of the EU Council has come 2nd or third in an EU election, their mandate at the EU is in question.
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No it is not because their mandate comes from the fact that they are the, at least nominal, leader of their country. Their mandate and role is completely separate from the EU Parliament.
 
Airfix said:
Better agricultural policy, better fisheries policy, independent trade policy and the ability to negotiate FTAs of our own.
Also non participation in dangerous EU military projects.
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Oh please do tell which dangerous EU military projects you are talking about.
 
There's all kind of flaws in the Common Agricultural Policy the worst of which have adverse effects on the environment.

CAP subsidies were based on the amount of land owned and required land to look agricultural.
Features such as ponds, wide hedges, woodland, reedbeds, and salt marshes were ineligible for subsidy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/21/waste-cash-leavers-in-out-land-subsidie

Farmers who owned less than 5 hectares were ineligible for subsidy.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ile/367701/cap-reform-october-2014-update.pdf

In Romania there's been a mass felling of trees in order to qualify for CAP subsidies. If we're going to criticise Brazil and it's destruction of rainforests, we need to criticise the EU and the destruction of forests that the CAP has caused.

We have an opportunity now to show them another way.

The new policy insists on environmentalism.
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farm-pol...oves-agriculture-bill-will-reshape-uk-farming

It's a big step forwards.
 
Well, I ran into my first brexit complications.
When I lived and worked in the UK I set up an amazon.co.uk account to order some stuff.
When I moved back to the Netherlands I kept the account and when they set up prime I used that because there was no dutch amazon at the time and due to EU rules I could watch it in any country.
As of today I had to cancel it and get a version that still works in the EU.

I hope there weren't expats hoping to be able to watch things with their UK accounts because now they can't
A great step forward of course.
 
Airfix said:
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Was it really worth spending £9bn a year on membership ? NO.

Is this deal perfect ? NO.
Is it in my view a better deal than the one we had before ? YES.

Better agricultural policy, better fisheries policy, independent trade policy and the ability to negotiate FTAs of our own.
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And how long do you think it will take to replace the ones we've left behind, especially in our new position of vulnerability and our need to strike FTAs?

Airfix said:
Also non participation in dangerous EU military projects.
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Arcade22 said:
Oh please do tell which dangerous EU military projects you are talking about.
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The EU military staff:
https://eeas.europa.eu/topics/common-security-and-defence-policy-csdp/5436_en

The EU Battlegroups:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/esdp/91624.pdf

In the North Atlantic Treaty there is a clause called Article 1.

It reads thus:

"The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

Any military project not bound by the principles of that article, is dangerous.
Because it does not have to refrain from threat or use of force, it does not have to settle disputes by peaceful means or avoid jeopardising international security.

If they copied Article 1 into their own policies, that would alleviate my concern on the matter.
 
GlennB said:
And how long do you think it will take to replace the ones we've left behind, especially in our new position of vulnerability and our need to strike FTAs?
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The new FTA with the EU is already agreed many EU negotiated FTAs were copied over last year.

Details here:

FTAs with Australia and New Zealand won't take too long. Probably a year to two years.

The USA Australia FTA negotiations began in 2003 and concluded in 2004.
UK Australia FTA negotiations shouldn't take long.

Remember we couldn't negotiate new FTAs whilst inside the customs union as TFEU207 forbade it.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:12008E207:en:HTML
 
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