Cont: Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

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There will be "bumpy moments" for UK businesses and travellers as they get to grips with new EU rules, says government minister Michael Gove.

He said there would be "practical and procedural changes" when the Brexit transition period ends on 31 December.

Mr Gove also urged people going to the EU to make extra checks, including mobile phone roaming charges.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55463506
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Gove on R4 this morning saying that the EU had "held us back" from tackling social and regional inequalities in the UK and not because of 10 years of crippling austerity.
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For once he is right. The EU kept returning some of the money we “paid in” to the more deprived regions of the UK, they funded urban renewal schemes that weren’t based in London and the Home Counties.

Now we don’t have the EU upsetting the natural order we can once again ensure that the provinces remember their place.
 
Andrew Pierce (Daily mail political journalist)tweeted

@toryboypierce
EU ambassadors have unanimously approved trade deal; negotiated by @BorisJohnson
We will leave the EU with only a few bumps in the road. Boris has got Brexit done
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Gove on R4 this morning saying that the EU had "held us back" from tackling social and regional inequalities in the UK and not because of 10 years of crippling austerity.
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Since when did the Conservative party ever care about inequality... or even animal welfare? That's the reason why people voted leave all right: animal rights...
 
Anyone get the feeling that the speed with which the 27 countries approved the deal means we must have lost out big-time?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Anyone get the feeling that the speed with which the 27 countries approved the deal means we must have lost out big-time?
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I was about to pose the same question, the fact that this passed with no discussion or dissent seems ominous for the UK.
 
Oh wow! A really hard-hitting piece in a German newspaper Der Speigel, worth reading because it sums up what has happened quite succinctly and without the faux-hurray and fake triumphancy of the SUN or the DAILY TROLL:

That's why even the melancholy that shimmers in many comments on Brexit is getting on my nerves. I don't feel sadness, only anger: Britain has been captured by gambling liars, frivolous clowns and their claqueurs. They destroyed my Europe, to which the island belonged as well as France or Germany.

A drunken proletarian like Nigel Farage , leader of the Ukip party, has tabled countless lies about the European Union, but he would never have come anywhere near political influence had the Tories not used him in their power struggles. David Cameron , leader of the Conservatives, was so in love with his magical campaign moments that he felt that in a few weeks before the referendum he could make up for the many years he and his party had scapegoated the EU for everything is going wrong on the island, and that's a lot. When Boris Johnson finally had to decide where he wanted to be in this referendum, two texts were on his desk for publication: one for and one against Brexit. It would be as if Willy Brandt had two concepts in the drawer, one for Ostpolitik and one against it. Or Helmut Kohl would have had a plan for reunification and one against it. It's all so ridiculous.

Johnson sent a red bus across the country that lied so boldly in very large letters about the UK's EU contribution and the domestic NHS health care system that even Farage was too much. The invasion of millions of Muslims from Turkey and the Middle East was presented as a decided EU plan, and the risks of Brexit were systematically chattered down, because the EU is more dependent on Great Britain than the other way around. In truth, however, the UK is only the EU's fifth largest trading partner, while the EU is the UK's largest.

"Take back control," Johnson lied to the citizens, the British government only achieved: take back control of our little shovel and our little sand castle. Just before Christmas, when France closed the Channel Tunnel, the prime minister and his amphibians learned what it is worth when things get serious. After all, the fact that French oysters and champagne could become scarce is the only language that the island's elitist Johnsons understand, the Brexit agreement came about after all.
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Spiegel [google translate]

This you will not read in the UK press. However, the public knows it was lied to. Trump set a new precedent in that lying, dishonesty and cheating were OK, not so bad <shrug> and like the American public, the UK public just sees it as the new norm, when once such dishonesty would have meant instant resignation or even prosecution. Who remembers the politician who lied about a hotel bill? What a scandal that was! Or the politician who appeared to be associated with a hooker?

The Murdoch and Barclay Brothers papers are in control, that's why. Trump is only meeting his downfall now because Murdoch-owned New York Post is now writing horrible things about him, when it helped put Trump in power in the first place.
 
I strongly suspect this is why our hardcore brexiter has not been here to share his joy about the new deal.
After all everything that he claimed to want is not in the deal.
The UK will still have to follow EU laws regarding production, it will still follow EU laws regarding labour rights and it will still have to pay for the privilege.
It does lose the right to influence those laws in any meaningful way.

Even the fishing rights were not as promised.

But hey, anything to claim to be free of EU regulations, if you just tell your population you are, they won't notice you still follow them.
 
Boris Tweets

Just spoken with @eucopresident Charles Michel. I welcomed the importance of the UK/EU Agreement as a new starting point for our relationship, between sovereign equals.

We looked forward to the formal ratification of the agreement and to working together on shared priorities, such as tackling climate change.
 
Vixen said:
Oh wow! A really hard-hitting piece in a German newspaper Der Speigel, worth reading because it sums up what has happened quite succinctly and without the faux-hurray and fake triumphancy of the SUN or the DAILY TROLL:

Spiegel [google translate]

This you will not read in the UK press. However, the public knows it was lied to. Trump set a new precedent in that lying, dishonesty and cheating were OK, not so bad <shrug> and like the American public, the UK public just sees it as the new norm, when once such dishonesty would have meant instant resignation or even prosecution. Who remembers the politician who lied about a hotel bill? What a scandal that was! Or the politician who appeared to be associated with a hooker?

The Murdoch and Barclay Brothers papers are in control, that's why. Trump is only meeting his downfall now because Murdoch-owned New York Post is now writing horrible things about him, when it helped put Trump in power in the first place.
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This is a weird conspiracy-tinted view of the world.

First of all, have you ever heard of the Guardian? It is UK press and absolutely does have plenty of scathing articles about Brexit and Boris Johnson:

The Guardian view on Britain out of the EU: a treasure island for rentiers
Editorial

The Observer view on the Brexit trade deal
Observer editorial
A deal that makes us poorer, reduces global influence and imperils the nation’s integrity

The Guardian view on Britain’s global role: shrinking around Brexit
Editorial
In a world of superpower rivalry, the UK must urgently rebuild the strategic alliances that were sabotaged by its departure from the EU

I was one of the millions opposed to Brexit. I’ve seen nothing here to change my mind

Will Hutton
Once the scale of our loss sinks in, the UK might appreciate the European project

As for Trump, the Murdoch press were four-square behind him. The reason for his demise is he was voted out. Very simple.
 
angrysoba said:
This is a weird conspiracy-tinted view of the world.

First of all, have you ever heard of the Guardian? It is UK press and absolutely does have plenty of scathing articles about Brexit and Boris Johnson:

The Guardian view on Britain out of the EU: a treasure island for rentiers
Editorial

The Observer view on the Brexit trade deal
Observer editorial
A deal that makes us poorer, reduces global influence and imperils the nation’s integrity

The Guardian view on Britain’s global role: shrinking around Brexit
Editorial
In a world of superpower rivalry, the UK must urgently rebuild the strategic alliances that were sabotaged by its departure from the EU

I was one of the millions opposed to Brexit. I’ve seen nothing here to change my mind

Will Hutton
Once the scale of our loss sinks in, the UK might appreciate the European project

As for Trump, the Murdoch press were four-square behind him. The reason for his demise is he was voted out. Very simple.
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Read that. Do that daily. Did you not catch the scathing references to Jeremy Corbyn in the GUARDIAN? They target the sandal wearing lefties and is generally of good quality OTOH. But they don't want anyone who can actually make a change in power.

ETA: The GUARDIAN readership is 130,000, the SUN 22,200,000 (incl mobile) and the DAILY MAIL 1,200,000 (paid). Don't try to claim the mass media is well-balanced.
 
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The "staggering value" of the UK's 62 trade deals in a post-Brexit boom is estimated by the Daily Express to be worth £900bn.
It says the UK will enter a "boom" after January 1st with billions more in trade deals expected in the year.
 
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