Trump's Coup d'état.

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gnome said:
I don't think you can use an amendment to overturn another part of the constitution, unless that amendment explicitly repeals it.
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It doesn't actually say that in the Constitution. But yeah.

No way will they use that as justification for dissolving either. Still, there can be little argument that both of these institutions are in direct contradiction with the 14th Amendment.
 
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Republicans think that none of their voters will care about their blatant attack on America itself come the midterms.
And of course they are right.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Weren't the involved states supposed to reply by this afternoon?
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The Great Zaganza said:
Republicans think that none of their voters will care about their blatant attack on America itself come the midterms.
And of course they are right.
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I'm really not 100% convinced that is true. That said, 2 years is a long time. The voters' memories are just not that long.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Republicans think that none of their voters will care about their blatant attack on America itself come the midterms.
And of course they are right.
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Something I remember from an old psychology class was the idea of roleplaying. For example, if you go to the doctor for flu, you may behave as you feel your symptoms should be as a social effort to conform.

In a way, they are roleplaying evangelicals that believe God supporters trump. They are acting in a way to affirm God's infallibility and their conviction.
 
Meadmaker said:
I'm not sure the problem is truly the "mainstream" of Repbulicanism, although the bizarre fringe beliefs are being pulled in that direction. Let me explain my reasoning for those who might not be following it all the way.

I say that 106 legislators signing on to this has to be a result of fear of being "primaried", because there's no way 106 legislators could be this stupid. This lawsuit is absurd. The respectable conservatives who sometimes contribute to this board won't touch it, only the fringe. National Review won't touch it. Romney condemns it. Of those 106 legislators, an awful lot of them made it through law school. They aren't stupid, and they have legal training. They know this lawsuit has zero chance. There are a few people in Congress who are so blinded by ideology that they may as well be stupid, but most of them aren't.

However, they know that there is a hard core of the Republican electorate who demands complete party loyalty, and right now that means Trump loyalty. I don't think it's even a majority of the Republican voters. However, the majority of people don't vote in primary elections. The legislators know that if they are not loyal to Trump, Trump can tweet, "Congressman Smith is a RINO. We need better representation! Vote for Bill Trumpfan, who is a real Republican!", and a lot of people will do it. The majority of the country won't. The majority of the Republican voters probably wouldn't, but there is a chance that the majority of people who show up on a Tuesday to vote in an off year Republican primary just might, so they dare not take that chance.

As a result, the party's mainstream does get pulled to the right, and in this case, worse than that. Trump isn't just the right. He's the mindless version of it, plus a cult of personality figure, and politicians who might be reasonable in their hearts do not dare stand up to him, because they need the votes of his fans.
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It's Trump's base who are forking out the dough. Follow the money. The base only wants Trump. Even now they still think that he's going to rise up on Jan. 20th. Telling them that Trump lost will get you "blocked". They won't be able to see your hateful comments anymore. It really is a cult.
 
Jerrold Nadler
https://judiciary.house.gov/
of the house committee was on MSNBC. The electoral college votes are counted in early January. Pence presiding, a formality as far as he goes. Trump people, Republicans will object the counting of votes from the 4 battleground/contested states. The House and Senate then have separate sessions. The House will vote to approve. The Senate will not. It then goes to the 4 states. The officials in the 4 states once more have to make some statement. The votes will, probably all be counted then.
 
Tero said:
Jerrold Nadler
https://judiciary.house.gov/
of the house committee was on MSNBC. The electoral college votes are counted in early January. Pence presiding, a formality as far as he goes. Trump people, Republicans will object the counting of votes from the 4 battleground/contested states. The House and Senate then have separate sessions. The House will vote to approve. The Senate will not. It then goes to the 4 states. The officials in the 4 states once more have to make some statement. The votes will, probably all be counted then.
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The Senate may or may not vote to not approve, depending on the Georgia delegation, as well as Romney, Murkowski, etc.

I saw Jamie Raskin tonight say that it would go to the four states. Where is that law that says that? Anyone know?
 
Speaking of GOP idiots:MyNW: AG Ferguson, Washington GOP lawmakers clash over lawsuit seeking to overturn election
Republican attorneys general in 17 states filed motions supporting the lawsuit, joined by 106 Congressional Republicans in a Thursday court filing. That includes Washington Representatives Cathy McMorris Rodgers and Dan Newhouse. Notably absent from Thursday’s filing was Rep. Jaime Herrera Butler, who recently won reelection to Congress, but chose not to join her fellow Washington Republicans in publicly supporting the lawsuit.

On the other side of the aisle, Attorney General Ferguson joined with 22 other attorneys general asking the Supreme Court to reject the case.
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The country's gone mad.
 
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Paul2 said:
The Senate may or may not vote to not approve, depending on the Georgia delegation, as well as Romney, Murkowski, etc.

I saw Jamie Raskin tonight say that it would go to the four states. Where is that law that says that? Anyone know?
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My understanding, the tie between the Senate and the House is resolved by whomever is certified by the State.
 
Tero said:
Jerrold Nadler
https://judiciary.house.gov/
of the house committee was on MSNBC. The electoral college votes are counted in early January. Pence presiding, a formality as far as he goes. Trump people, Republicans will object the counting of votes from the 4 battleground/contested states. The House and Senate then have separate sessions. The House will vote to approve. The Senate will not. It then goes to the 4 states. The officials in the 4 states once more have to make some statement. The votes will, probably all be counted then.
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I predict the Senate will vote to approve. Every Democrat will approve. At least a few Republicans will approve.

It's a shame that anyone will not approve, and it is a true shame on the Republican Party that we have to wonder if a lot of them will disapprove, but I predict that neither house will vote to not accept the votes.
 
Paul2 said:
The Senate may or may not vote to not approve, depending on the Georgia delegation, as well as Romney, Murkowski, etc.

I saw Jamie Raskin tonight say that it would go to the four states. Where is that law that says that? Anyone know?
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It doesn't "go to the four states".

If the electoral votes are not accepted, and, after the counting is complete, neither candidate has a majority of the remaining votes, then the House of Representatives would pick.

The clause in the Constitution about state legislatures picking the way electors are selected is exactly that. The legislature dictates how delegates are selected, and all 50 states do that via elections. If the electors are rejected by Congress, the states don't get to try some other method. Their votes just don't get counted.



And....that's assuming the Supreme Court allows the objection. Congressmen cannot, by law, just decide they don't like the voters' choices. They can only vote to reject states' electors for specific reasons. If the SC says those reasons didn't exist, then they would rule that the vote to reject the electors was invalid.

In other words, the legal mish-mash of creating scenarios where Trump could win requires a whole lot of elected officials to pay attention to some, but not all, of the law, and requires a really strained interpretation of the bits of law that they are following. When it all comes down to it, any scenario would be so blatantly illegal that if they did it anyway, the decision would actually made according to a higher law.

Who has the most guns?
 
acbytesla said:
My understanding, the tie between the Senate and the House is resolved by whomever is certified by the State.
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Oh, right. I misread the question. If the House approves, but the Senate disapproves, the resolution to not accept the electors is defeated, the state certified electoral votes are counted, and Biden wins. 306 - 232, plus or minus a couple of faithless electors if that happens.
 
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