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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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shuttlt said:
Republicans that Trump kicked out. They are the ones you have likely put back in power in the Republican party. I don't think I said Democrats. They joined forced to remove Trump. People on the forum seem to be very pleased with what they have done. It's hardly unique. There are people sharing lists of Trump donors. The blue check marks on Twitter, AOC etc etc etc are encouraging people to archive material from people who worked for Trump to make sure they never work again. It's wicked.
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On the other hand, I see nothing at all wrong with making sure everyone remembers who Trump's enablers were, and making sure their reputations are sullied, and remain sullied for a long, long time. Its not wicked, its justice for what they have done.

The only members of the Trump Administration I have any respect for are those who stood up and spoke truth to power; people like Fiona Hill, William Taylor and George Kent as well as Lt. Col. Alex Vindman and Amb. Marie Yovanovitch. These are people of true character and integrity, people with a lifetime of selfless public service behind them, people who have put their country before poltics and before themselves.

Trump enablers like Bill Barr, Mark Esper, Stephen Miller et al? They can go **** themselves!
 
shuttlt said:
Could you share me a video of the harassment of the election officials. I haven't seen it and would be interested. Incidentally, I believe the rule on this thread is that unless you post a primary source demonstrating that the claimed thing happened, you are a liar and it never occurred. I don't really doubt that you can. Please just post it.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...ls-death-threats-20201109.html?outputType=amp

It’s not mere harassment. It’s death threats. Something that’s legitimately dangerous and criminal.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
There is no evidence these 300K ballots were delivered. Can you provide evidence they were delivered?

CNN fact check? That's rich.
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There is no evidence they were not. The explanation is they weren't scanned. IMO the post office generally does a fine job of delivery, but their tracking system is not up to par. I've had plenty of packages that were marked as delivered, but didn't show up for a day or two, as well as packages that were delivered but were never scanned as such.

There’s no solid evidence of missing mail ballots

The Postal Service “swept" 220 mail facilities Tuesday, and only found 13 delayed ballots nationwide. They were immediately delivered.

Mail ballots returned Monday and Tuesday have been bypassing the city’s processing center and were manually sorted, postmarked, and rushed to Boards of Elections within the same day. This means many ballots were scanned into the agency’s system, but not scanned out.

However, this meant those ballots were likely scanned in, but never scanned out, since they bypassed the rest of the system. Or as the service put it, the “local turnaround” "expedites delivery, but is not captured in service performance data.”
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surrogate said:
There is no evidence they were not. The explanation is they weren't scanned. IMO the post office generally does a fine job of delivery, but their tracking system is not up to par. I've had plenty of packages that were marked as delivered, but didn't show up for a day or two, as well as packages that were delivered but were never scanned as such.

There’s no solid evidence of missing mail ballots
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You are mistaken. The evidence that they were not delivered is there. Without delivery confirmation there is no evidence the ballots were delivered. Each contained tracking information. Each tracking number is scanned when delivered by the carrier, I see it happen every day.

Try your explanation with an Ebay order you send out and see how that goes for you.
 
johnny karate said:
No one cares what you “imagine” or have a “hard time believing”.

What crimes have been committed and what actual damage has been done?

Be specific and show your work.
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Well, I wonder if some kind of tortious interference of contract wouldn't be one crime, you've got the harassment itself which one would have to look into to answer specifically, then I believe you have some law relating to witness tampering and so forth that makes it a crime to harass somebody into not attending an official proceeding, there are probably others. Beyond that, I just don't see how it could be legal to attempt to intimidate a lawyer into leaving a case.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Christ on a ******* bike. The Republican observers didn't bother turning up to the walk through to find out how the count worked, then on the day they hadn't got a clue what was going on, right? So they wanted the result thrown out because they were lazy and incompetent?

Shocking but not surprising.

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They don't need no walkthrough from so-called "expert." They knew more about the election process than some deep-state operative who has been working elections for 30 years. They have seen a Sean Hannity rant about election fraud, that's all they need to know. They have alternative training.

That election board official guy hasn't seen the Hannity video, so don't understand the real problems.
 
smartcooky said:
On the other hand, I see nothing at all wrong with making sure everyone remembers who Trump's enablers were, and making sure their reputations are sullied, and remain sullied for a long, long time. Its not wicked, its justice for what they have done.

The only members of the Trump Administration I have any respect for are those who stood up and spoke truth to power; people like Fiona Hill, William Taylor and George Kent as well as Lt. Col. Alex Vindman and Amb. Marie Yovanovitch. These are people of true character and integrity, people with a lifetime of selfless public service behind them, people who have put their country before poltics and before themselves.

Trump enablers like Bill Barr, Mark Esper, Stephen Miller et al? They can go **** themselves!
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Night of the Long Knives?
 
johnny karate said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...ls-death-threats-20201109.html?outputType=amp

It’s not mere harassment. It’s death threats. Something that’s legitimately dangerous and criminal.
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Oh, ok. Well, I think that's bad and anybody who makes a call like that should be arrested, but I honestly don't think there is the same fear of violence and retribution from the right wing crazies as there is from the left wing crazies. The lawyers have left the case and are shutting up, the election workers are publicly complaining about the call, continuing with the election and being backed up by republicans. Also, I thought the claim was intimidating people with guns?
 
shuttlt said:
Oh, ok. Well, I think that's bad and anybody who makes a call like that should be arrested, but I honestly don't think there is the same fear of violence and retribution from the right wing crazies as there is from the left wing crazies. The lawyers have left the case and are shutting up, the election workers are publicly complaining about the call, continuing with the election and being backed up by republicans. Also, I thought the claim was intimidating people with guns?
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You would have to go to Maricopa county AZ for that.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Night of the Long Knives?
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My guess, and I am probably wrong, is that one motivation is to project that he is still acting as the President and expects to keep being President to counteract Biden going about the place calling himself the President Elect.
 
shuttlt said:
Well, I wonder if some kind of tortious interference of contract wouldn't be one crime, you've got the harassment itself which one would have to look into to answer specifically, then I believe you have some law relating to witness tampering and so forth that makes it a crime to harass somebody into not attending an official proceeding, there are probably others. Beyond that, I just don't see how it could be legal to attempt to intimidate a lawyer into leaving a case.
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Sorry, I’m asking for facts, not flights of fancy.

What actual evidence do you have that any crime has taken place or any actual damage has been done?
 
shuttlt said:
Well, I wonder if some kind of tortious interference of contract wouldn't be one crime, you've got the harassment itself which one would have to look into to answer specifically, then I believe you have some law relating to witness tampering and so forth that makes it a crime to harass somebody into not attending an official proceeding, there are probably others. Beyond that, I just don't see how it could be legal to attempt to intimidate a lawyer into leaving a case.
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You haven't proved anything!

You just made claims pulled out of your ass. Who specifically harrassed what specific attorney? And how did that result in tortious interference?

Seriously, when are you going to stop your specious allegations? You aked me what lies Trump's attorneys told and I specifically told you.

OTOH, you made nonsense claim after claim after claim and haven't proved a single one.

This is like dealing with a chimpanzee flinging crap at everyone. I'd be ashamed.
 
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shuttlt said:
Oh, ok. Well, I think that's bad and anybody who makes a call like that should be arrested, but I honestly don't think there is the same fear of violence and retribution from the right wing crazies as there is from the left wing crazies. The lawyers have left the case and are shutting up, the election workers are publicly complaining about the call, continuing with the election and being backed up by republicans. Also, I thought the claim was intimidating people with guns?
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This comes across as delusional. I’m talking about actual crimes committed by the right and you’re just making **** up about the left.

And yes, the right wing crazies are intimidating people with guns.
 
shuttlt said:
My guess, and I am probably wrong, is that one motivation is to project that he is still acting as the President and expects to keep being President to counteract Biden going about the place calling himself the President Elect.
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Another reason might be because its just come out they were secretly keeping troops in Syria and lying to him and the public about the real numbers. What's the point of having elections if the bureaucracy isn't willing to let the electorate or their representatives implement policy?
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
 
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johnny karate said:
This comes across as delusional. I’m talking about actual crimes committed by the right and you’re just making **** up about the left.

And yes, the right wing crazies are intimidating people with guns.
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From the article:

“I’m here to protect a peaceful protest,” said Keith Owen, who carried a black, semiautomatic assault rifle and wore a handgun in a holster strapped to his leg. His vest held extra ammunition. He described himself as a veteran who served in Afghanistan and now lives in Arizona.
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This kind of 'logic' eludes me. How does carrying guns in a group of people where emotions are running high help keep the peace? That makes as much sense as thinking drinking alcohol is going to help keep the peace. In what world are men known for the trait of keeping cool and calm in these kinds of situations? What the hell do they think they're going to do with these guns? Do they think Democrats, who were winning the state, are going to attack them? They're as delusional as Trump.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
You are mistaken. The evidence that they were not delivered is there. Without delivery confirmation there is no evidence the ballots were delivered. Each contained tracking information. Each tracking number is scanned when delivered by the carrier, I see it happen every day.

Try your explanation with an Ebay order you send out and see how that goes for you.
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Delivered /= scanned. You have evidence that the ballots weren't scanned. Prove that the scan rate for trackable mail is 100%. Prove that the postal service officials are lying about the ballots being expedited and therefore skipping delivery scans.

If you want to keep grasping onto incomplete tracking info, that's fine, but I think you are wasting your time. IMO, you should jump on the Dominion Voting Systems CT train. They have a sort of evil sounding name, and are related to Diebold who were subject to CT's during the Bush years. Surely, there are a few D politicians somewhere that know someone who works for Dominion.
 
Stacyhs said:
This kind of 'logic' eludes me. How does carrying guns in a group of people where emotions are running high help keep the peace? That makes as much sense as thinking drinking alcohol is going to help keep the peace. In what world are men known for the trait of keeping cool and calm in these kinds of situations? What the hell do they think they're going to do with these guns? Do they think Democrats, who were winning the state, are going to attack them? They're as delusional as Trump.
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Republicans don't view gun possession the same way as progressives. I don't see anything in the article about them attempting to intimidate people attempting to vote.
 
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