Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

[johnny karate]

Bump for shuttit:

Therefore can you please show by referring to the actual processes in the states you think this "could" have happened in how the same criminal activity wouldn't have been detected by the controls those states have in place.

 

[johnny karate]

That's not what the judge in the case thought. The claim on the forum seems to be that they were caught because they produced so many fake votes that they upped the turnout by 350%. Given that those clowns were able to produce that incredible volume of votes, wouldn't a more competent, or less hard working, clown succeed by sticking to a more modest volume? Again, I don't see what is difficult about what they did, or what in the process would catch them except the signature.

I feel like we are stuck in a loop where all examples of voter/election fraud are counted as evidence that such fraud isn't possible since by definition given that we know about them they were caught and hence the system works. This effectively excludes the possibility of using evidence from other elections to at least show that what is claimed is possible.

That’s because the examples you’re providing are not analogous to the claim you’re making.

It’s like pointing out that bank robberies have occurred to demonstrate that it’s possible to rob Fort Knox.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It’s like pointing out that bank robberies have occurred to demonstrate that it’s possible to rob Fort Knox.

Worse. It's going "Bank robberies have happened, therefore prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

Or even "I can imagine how a bank could be robbed, now prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

 

[shuttlt]

That’s because the examples you’re providing are not analogous to the claim you’re making.

It’s like pointing out that bank robberies have occurred to demonstrate that it’s possible to rob Fort Knox.

Fort Knox doesn't mail the gold out to everybody on the voter roll, the ballots are mailed out to everybody on the voter roll. If there is more security on the ballots in the states we are talking about vs the ballots in this case in the UK, I'm unaware of it.

 

[johnny karate]

Worse. It's going "Bank robberies have happened, therefore prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

Or even "I can imagine how a bank could be robbed, now prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

Good point. I admittedly fell for shuttit’s attempt to move the discussion into the hypothetical as a back door to proving it might have happened in reality.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

Worse. It's going "Bank robberies have happened, therefore prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

Or even "I can imagine how a bank could be robbed, now prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

Or even "I don't really know how bank security actually works. So I can imagine how a bank could be robbed. Now prove to me Fort Knox hasn't been robbed"

 

[shuttlt]

Worse. It's going "Bank robberies have happened, therefore prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

Or even "I can imagine how a bank could be robbed, now prove to me that Fort Knox hasn't already been robbed."

So we all agree that there is some background level of fraud/error in the US elections, so that just because Trump finds some cases it doesn't mean much, yes? Is there some background level of gold theft at Fort Knox that is no big deal and doesn't mean much? The US election system's security is nothing like Fort Knox. The Supreme Court have said as much, as have, I think, the 5th circuit.

 

[johnny karate]

Fort Knox doesn't mail the gold out to everybody on the voter roll, the ballots are mailed out to everybody on the voter roll. If there is more security on the ballots in the states we are talking about vs the ballots in this case in the UK, I'm unaware of it.

There’s missing the point and then there’s moving at light speed through time and space to the place in the universe farthest from it.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Fort Knox doesn't mail the gold out to everybody on the voter roll, the ballots are mailed out to everybody on the voter roll. If there is more security on the ballots in the states we are talking about vs the ballots in this case in the UK, I'm unaware of it.

"Prove to me that every tax return isn't falsified."
"Prove to me my neighbor isn't intercepting my Amazon packages and replacing them with exact duplicates."

 

[JoeMorgue]

So we all agree that there is some background level of fraud/error in the US elections, so that just because Trump finds some cases it doesn't mean much, yes? Is there some background level of gold theft at Fort Knox that is no big deal and doesn't mean much? The US election system's security is nothing like Fort Knox. The Supreme Court have said as much, as have, I think, the 5th circuit.

Are you a professional point misser or are you maintaining your amateur status so you can get a gold in "Missing the Point" at the Olympics?

 

[shuttlt]

Or even "I don't really know how bank security actually works. So I can imagine how a bank could be robbed. Now prove to me Fort Knox hasn't been robbed"

Or, "I don't know how bank security actually works, but I am not open to the possibility that a bank could be robbed. Examples of bank robberies just go to show how good the security is and that banks can't be robbed."

 

[johnny karate]

Another bump for shuttit:

Bump for shuttit:

You do in the end seem to want this to be entered into your brief for why election fraud could happen in the current USA GE.

Therefore can you please show by referring to the actual processes in the states you think this "could" have happened in how the same criminal activity wouldn't have been detected by the controls those states have in place.

 

[Dave Rogers]

So we all agree that there is some background level of fraud/error in the US elections, so that just because Trump finds some cases it doesn't mean much, yes?

I see the way you've combined fraud and error there. Be careful to remember the crucial differences between the two. If Trump's team find instances of error, that doesn't imply anything about fraud.

Dave

 

[johnny karate]

So we all agree that there is some background level of fraud/error in the US elections, so that just because Trump finds some cases it doesn't mean much, yes? Is there some background level of gold theft at Fort Knox that is no big deal and doesn't mean much? The US election system's security is nothing like Fort Knox. The Supreme Court have said as much, as have, I think, the 5th circuit.

You’re just... terrible at this.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The Jabbian "So you agree with me" said to people who obviously aren't agreeing with you isn't helping.

Reality is not something you can trip people up into agreeing with you on a technicality in order to get around.

 

[shuttlt]

"Prove to me that every tax return isn't falsified."
"Prove to me my neighbor isn't intercepting my Amazon packages and replacing them with exact duplicates."

No. Your claim is equivalent to "it isn't possible to systematically steal Amazon packages", my example is the equivalent of showing a case where somebody was found to be systematically stealing amazon packages. Your response is to demand I provide a case where people were systematically stealing Amazon packages, but there scheme wasn't discovered.

 

[I Am The Scum]

He's also saying that Fort Knox was robbed by the Hatfields, completely ignoring that there's just as much evidence* that it was robbed by the McCoys.

*i.e. none

 

[JoeMorgue]

No. Your claim is equivalent to "it isn't possible to systematically steal Amazon packages", my example is the equivalent of showing a case where somebody was found to be systematically stealing amazon packages. Your response is to demand I provide a case where people were systematically stealing Amazon packages, but there scheme wasn't discovered.

You have no claim that requires to counter-claim it. You've vaguely alluded to something that could happen with no evidence.

WE HAVE NO BURDEN HERE.

 

[JoeMorgue]

He's also saying that Fort Knox was robbed by the Hatfields, completely ignoring that there's just as much evidence* that it was robbed by the McCoys.

*i.e. none

He's also pretending he'd be looking at it this closely if the Hatfields lost the election.

 

[johnny karate]

No. Your claim is equivalent to "it isn't possible to systematically steal Amazon packages", my example is the equivalent of showing a case where somebody was found to be systematically stealing amazon packages. Your response is to demand I provide a case where people were systematically stealing Amazon packages, but there scheme wasn't discovered.

You have not provided any examples of election fraud that are anywhere near as analogous to comparing Amazon packages to other Amazon packages. Not even close.

You remain terrible at this.