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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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"Nothing is certain, therefore it just makes sense to assume I'm right and you're wrong" is an anti-intellectual cliche at this point; from coffee shop philosophers to Woo Slingers to Right Wing Politics.

Like I said if the Dragon in my Garage committed voter fraud, I'll have a word with him. Because that's pretty much the level we are at right now.
 
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johnny karate said:
This is an exceptionally good point.
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Speaking of the cash rewards, the Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania contacted the Lieutenant Governor of Texas to report the PA man who tried to register his dead mother to vote for Trump and asked for his reward.

“Hey, Governor Patrick- it’s your counterpart in Pennsylvania,” Fetterman tweeted. "I’d like to collect your handsome reward for reporting voter fraud. I got a dude in Forty Fort, PA who tried to have his dead mom vote for Trump.”

Rather than take the cash reward, Fetterman requested the reward be in Sheetz gift cards.
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He also added "p.s. The Cowboys blow"
 
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Armitage72 said:
Speaking of the cash rewards, the Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania contacted the Lieutenant Governor of Texas to report the PA man who tried to register his dead mother to vote for Trump and asked for his reward.
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Was waiting for such a reply. Because of the widespread belief among Facebook poisoned MAGA types that election fraud is widespread and easy to commit, you can practically guarantee that Trump supporters engaged in absentee ballot fraud in an effort to fight fire with fire. Almost certainly not in numbers to change the result of the election, but incidents likely exist here and there.

There have been several anecdotal reports of parents forging the signature of their adult children to steal their ballots to support Trump. Wonder if the bounty will be paid out in this case.
 
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This is just a fancy, schmancy, dishonest way of making "Just being a liar" into a quality.

We all know that's what this insane "Well everyone is biased" nonsense is trying to build a foundation for, right?

Step 1: "All sides are biased."
Step 2: "Well at least this side admits they are biased."
Step 3: "Therefore they are actually more trustworthy then the sides that don't admit they are biased!"

And boom we've just turned dishonesty into a quality.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Was waiting for such a reply. Because of the widespread belief among Facebook poisoned MAGA types that election fraud is widespread and easy to commit, you can practically guarantee that Trump supporters engaged in absentee ballot fraud here and there in an effort to fight fire with fire. Almost certainly not in numbers to change the result of the election, but incidents likely exist here and there.

There have been several anecdotal reports of parents forging the signature of their adult children to steal their ballots to support Trump. Wonder if the bounty will be paid out in this case.
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As a typical Trumper he (the LtGov of Texas) will never pay out a dime.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
You can't keep what year the election is happening straight in your own fan fiction about other people's fan fiction. You're so far in a post-fact bubble you might as well be on an Interdimensional Cable episode of Rick & Morty.

There... was... no... election... fraud... on... a... scale... to... effect... the... election.
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I think you mean the Interdimensional Cabal™.
 
Not to forget that a Trump supporter was arrested in 2016 trying to submit a second vote for Trump.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/terri-lynn-rote-iowa-vote-donald-trump-twice-two-years-probation-750-fine-a7900886.html

The Trump supporter previously told police she cast two absentee ballots before the election because she believed President Trump’s unsubstantiated claims the election was rigged and her first ballot would be changed to a vote for his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton.
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These people actually believe this ****. I suppose if you actually believe that voter fraud is widespread and people routinely do it undetected, you might be motivated to try it yourself.

Reality often rears its head in unpleasant ways. Perhaps getting handcuffed cut through the fantasy a bit.
 
Again that's why it was so important for them to establish a post-fact world.

You see that Trump supporter didn't vote twice. I mean they did but they only did it to balance out the Demoncrats busing loads of illegal brown people in to vote illegally.

What's that? There's mainstream press said there has been no illegal voting? Well of course the Lamestream media would say that, they are just so biased.

And on, and on, and on. Every potential fact is dismissed as "Just someone with an agenda's opinion."
 
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Again that's why it was so important for them to establish a post-fact world.

You see that Trump supporter didn't vote twice. I mean they did but they only did it to balance out the Demoncrats busing loads of illegal brown people in to vote illegally.

What's that? There's mainstream press said there has been no illegal voting? Well of course the Lamestream media would say that, they are just so biased.

And on, and on, and on. Every potential fact is dismissed as "Just someone with an agenda's opinion."
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It's a bit sad. These goons getting a criminal conviction will do nothing to change the right wing propaganda about how easy it is to commit voter fraud, but it will absolutely impact their lives in negative ways. Dude in PA is in his late 60's with no prior criminal record and is looking at a felony conviction now.

The right wing monster eats its own.

I sincerely worry about the mental health of the elderly population that heavily use Facebook to perceive the world.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
This is just a fancy, schmancy, dishonest way of making "Just being a liar" into a quality.

We all know that's what this insane "Well everyone is biased" nonsense is trying to build a foundation for, right?

Step 1: "All sides are biased."
Step 2: "Well at least this side admits they are biased."
Step 3: "Therefore they are actually more trustworthy then the sides that don't admit they are biased!"

And boom we've just turned dishonesty into a quality.
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It's one thing to recognize that we have biases. It's another to have blinders on when it comes to the facts. I admit it, I'm biased in that after 4 years and 23,000 lies into instinctively believing that Trump is a gaslighting lying POS and that his next sentence or tweet is likely to be another lie.

That said, I'm open to him telling the truth, I'm just not inclined to thinking he is,
 
An article (which I will try and find to link to) pointed out what is probably happening.

Tell the press or the public that you have proof of illegal ballots (or suggesting it, or *Hint, hint, wink wink* saying it) is one thing. But you do that in front of a judge and can't back it up you can lose your license.

So the lawyers who are all big talk in front of the press are going to get awfully quiet in front of judges.
 
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I’m certainly open to there having been election fraud, even election fraud at a significant scale. However I was more open to it prior to reading and participating in this thread. This thread has increased my knowledge about how elections in some contested states are held and the precautions they have for preventing large scale fraud as well as individual instances of fraud.

Some posters have presented their “if there were no checks in the elections this is how I could commit large scale election fraud” but their “coulds” include actions which there are already checks and SOPs in place to prevent in at least 2 of the contested states so at the moment until they learn about how the elections are actually run in contested states their “coulds” are not relevant to the real world. And so far none of them seem to want to do the research to see if their “coulds” are indeed “coulds”.

The other line of argument has been to say there is plenty evidence of fraud being put forward in the civil cases. But they all seem unaware of exactly what has been put forward, down to not having a clue where their figures have come from, or what the figures actually mean. Then the links to some of the affidavits that are meant to be evidence are shown at best to be evidence of mistakes or SOPs not being followed precisely (and that is incredibly generous as most of what is stated in the linked affidavits is hearsay - in the legal sense) and not widespread electoral fraud. Tied into that is the actual cases being linked to, one of the few we have court transcripts for clearly states that the case has nothing to do with electoral fraud.

There is one other wrinkle that may have been addressed in the thread before I started participating so if it has sorry for not noticing it. That wrinkle is that election fraud is an actual criminal act, yet so far (as far as I can see) there have been no one arrested for committing significant election fraud. If the evidence is so plentiful how come there have been no arrests?

At the moment the claim of electoral fraud (large scale/significant) has no supporting evidence.


(And I’m not being mealy mouthed with the use of large scale or significant, all I am excluding is say when a parent has filled in and sent back their adult kid’s ballot, or someone in a household has filled in the 4 ballots sent to their household. I am 100% certain such electoral fraud has happened in all elections which use postal balloting.)
 
JoeMorgue said:
An article (which I will try and find to link to) pointed out what is probably happening.

Tell the press or the public that you have proof of illegal ballots (or suggesting it, or *Hint, hint, wink wink* saying it) is one thing. But you do that in front of a judge and can't back it up you can lose your license.

So the lawyers who are all big talk in front of the press are going to get awfully quiet in front of judges.
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Or they are not in fact putting forward cases that are about electoral fraud but rather objections to a certain procedure or how something was handled or the instructions given to the voters.
 
johnny karate said:
Law firms representing the Trump campaign and the RNC are starting to feel the heat:

Snell & Wilmer withdraws from election lawsuit as Trump contests Arizona results

Blowback against Trump campaign law firm targets clients, recruiting
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I'm really starting to wonder if Trump is going to lose help from lawyers pressing these frivolous lawsuits. Especially when the campaign is deep jn debt and Trump's fraudulent fundraising to pay for legal challenges when in fact the funds wont actually go to that.

Lawyers are funny ...you know...about getting paid.
 
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acbytesla said:
I'm really starting to wonder if Trump is going to lose help from lawyers pressing these frivolous lawsuits. Especially when the campaign is deep jn debt and Trump's fraudulent fundraising to pay for legal challenges when in fact that the funds wont actually go to that.

Lawyers are funny ...you know...about getting paid.
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AG Barr to the rescue!
 
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