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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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shuttlt said:
Debunked:
The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html

They are the paper of record, so they must be being honest.
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I suppose if you want to be a stickler, you could call out the difference bewteen their headline:

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

And their content:

Officials contacted by The Times said that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome.
Note the highlight.

As far as headlines overstating the case, feel free to rake them through the coals.

As far as their content goes, assuming you read the article, you know darned well they are not saying that no isolated cases of fraud happened in any state.

When you equivocate like that, you make it look like one of the following is true:

1) You don't read things.
2) You don't understand things.
3) You're being dishonestly partisan, so what an article actually says doesn't matter if it doesn't serve your ends.

Now I know none of those three applies to you, so I'd suggest being a bit more careful with your posting so you don't confuse the other members here about your integrity or intelligence.
 
ServiceSoon said:
Florida woman charged with falsifying absentee signature and found with 31 completed absentee ballots. Link to arrest warrant.
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Did you look at the date of that arrest warrant?

It was from friggin 2012 (stacy linked to the story, but the date is in the file you linked)

So I have to ask, are you just mindlessly parroting some dishonest source? Or is this your original dishonesty?
 
Cavemonster said:
I suppose if you want to be a stickler, you could call out the difference bewteen their headline:

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

And their content:

Officials contacted by The Times said that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome.
Note the highlight.

As far as headlines overstating the case, feel free to rake them through the coals.

As far as their content goes, assuming you read the article, you know darned well they are not saying that no isolated cases of fraud happened in any state.

When you equivocate like that, you make it look like one of the following is true:

1) You don't read things.
2) You don't understand things.
3) You're being dishonestly partisan, so what an article actually says doesn't matter if it doesn't serve your ends.

Now I know none of those three applies to you, so I'd suggest being a bit more careful with your posting so you don't confuse the other members here about your integrity or intelligence.
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I'm not equivocating. I was aware of the content. Newspaper stories typically work in that way. Say a completely untrue thing in the headline, pad it out in a misleading way in the first paragraph, stick the true facts way, way down towards the bottom.

The other part of it is after the headline you have this:
"The president and his allies have baselessly claimed that rampant voter fraud stole victory from him. Officials contacted by The Times said that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome."

"baseless" is subjective, "rampant" is subjective. Are there claims baseless given that they have 200+ pages of affidavits plus other evidence? Most of what the President is claiming is actually election fraud, malpractice. Officials can't know that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome. The only part of the first sentence that is a statement of fact is false. Go NYT!
 
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shuttlt said:
I'm not equivocating. I was aware of the content. Newspaper stories typically work in that way. Say a completely untrue thing in the headline, pad it out in a misleading way in the first paragraph, stick the true facts way, way down towards the bottom.
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The great thing is, the headline is still true because you allowed your bias and gullibility to get the better of you.
 
pgwenthold said:
Did you look at the date of that arrest warrant?

It was from friggin 2012 (stacy linked to the story, but the date is in the file you linked)

So I have to ask, are you just mindlessly parroting some dishonest source? Or is this your original dishonesty?
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Even more embarrassing, from the story:

The Miami Herald reports Cabrera was seen in the building that houses the Republican Mayor’s Hialeah campaign office and has been photographed at Gimenez events, but the Mayor and his consultants have denied she is on the payroll.
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It’s bizarre to see someone bashing the NYT and WaPo as dishonest while listing the claims of project veritas as true.
 
shuttlt said:
Which ones do you mean? I'd say I'm pulling my weight in this thread providing primary sources.
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Really?

There is to date no compelling evidence presented in this thread, or on this entire forum, or elsewhere for that matter that systematic election fraud occurred in the 2020 US elections.

Trumps lawyers are 0-16 with lawsuits to date.

Technically Trump is entitled to contest the result if he chooses to, but still there is no evidence for any of his claims.

Yes there is likely to have been *some* fraud and some mistakes and the recounts will shift vote totals a little here or there, but there's no evidence that Trump was cheated out of the election. Most of the votes have been counted, Biden won. The margin of victory is huge.

Bigly some people might say.

Trump is a one term president who lost the popular vote by more than 5 million ballots in 2020.

The simple facts are that the 2020 US elections were run smoothly, under exceptionally difficult circumstances, a record number of people voted and Biden won more than 270 Electoral college votes in a fair and free election.

You're lucky you live in a democracy, try again next time.
 
dirtywick said:
It’s bizarre to see someone bashing the NYT and WaPo as dishonest while listing the claims of project veritas as true.
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I know. I do wonder if the news was always this bad. There is that Hearst story about "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war."

Incidentally, I don't claim that what Veritas says is true. Unlike the NYT, they post videos and evidence that one can actually evaluate. Look at the Postal worker story, they have given us the original affidavit, interviews with the postal worker and the recording of the interrogation. What have we got from WAPO? Three unnamed sources told us that some other unnamed people said something and it doesn't look like the WAPO story is honest. If Veritas is so bad, and WAPO/NYT can't even beat Veritas, what is going on at these papers?
 
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shuttlt said:
Debunked:
The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html

They are the paper of record, so they must be being honest.
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So your claim is that they are not? They are making up the quotes from the specific officials named, or what? Do you accept the basic concept that facts exist?

From the link:
“There’s a great human capacity for inventing things that aren’t true about elections,” said Frank LaRose, a Republican who serves as Ohio’s secretary of state. “The conspiracy theories and rumors and all those things run rampant. For some reason, elections breed that type of mythology.”

Steve Simon, a Democrat who is Minnesota’s secretary of state, said: “I don’t know of a single case where someone argued that a vote counted when it shouldn’t have or didn’t count when it should. There was no fraud.”

“Kansas did not experience any widespread, systematic issues with voter fraud, intimidation, irregularities or voting problems,” a spokeswoman for Scott Schwab, the Republican secretary of state in Kansas, said in an email Tuesday. “We are very pleased with how the election has gone up to this point.”
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shuttlt said:
I'm not equivocating. I was aware of the content. Newspaper stories typically work in that way. Say a completely untrue thing in the headline, pad it out in a misleading way in the first paragraph, stick the true facts way, way down towards the bottom.

The other part of it is after the headline you have this:
"The president and his allies have baselessly claimed that rampant voter fraud stole victory from him. Officials contacted by The Times said that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome."

"baseless" is subjective, "rampant" is subjective. Are there claims baseless given that they have 200+ pages of affidavits plus other evidence? Most of what the President is claiming is actually election fraud, malpractice. Officials can't know that there were no irregularities that affected the outcome. The only part of the first sentence that is a statement of fact is false. Go NYT!
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Is the content of the NYT article contradicted by an example of an individual committing small scale voter fraud in Florida? Even if it hadn't been from 2012?

If it isn't contradicted, then your comment was either disingenuous or based in misunderstanding. Nothing else you have said changes that.

I gave you a chance there buddy.
 
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