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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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dirtywick said:
It looks like he is also restructuring the pentagon, FBI, and CIA
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KI think it more a last blow at "disloyal" employees then setting up a coup. Trump is too stupid to pull that off.
And I think the GOP support..so far...is just out of fear if they piss Trump off he won't go doen to Georgia and campaign for the senate races.
I agree that Trumpism is not going to go away and it will be long term problem;but I think people here are indulging in some "Disaster Porn" when they talk about a coup.
 
dirtywick said:
Why is anyone sending him money? He's a liar and it undercuts all the election fraud claims.
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Because people are stupid?
Pretty obvious answer.
In mnay ways Donnie is an idiot, but hr's a good con man.
 
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It's worth noting that lawsuits against the Biden victory have consistently been dismissed. I think it's reasonable to assume that Trumpers would have presented their strongest evidence of fraud in court -- if they actually had any.
The problem is, Trump's campaign has spent much of the past week in court with little success and without presenting anything close to evidence that points to a fraudulent result.

"You can't go to court just because you don't like the vote totals," Ohio State election law professor Ned Foley said on MSNBC over the weekend. "You have to have a legal claim, and you have to have evidence to back it up. And that's just not there."
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https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/9331...o-legal-success-this-month-heres-what-they-ve
 
kookbreaker said:
So the GOP poll watchers were too stupid to follow basic instructions so it’s the Democrats fault and they should give up all the ballots counted there. Sure.
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When it comes to the GOP, never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice .
 
Absolutely great video made by a British mathematician about Benford's law.

He's entertaining and makes it simple to understand.

Highly recommend it. YouTube

https://youtu.be/etx0k1nLn78

or you can watch it in the post.



17 minutes long, but the last 01:30 is him pitching his math book.
 
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dudalb said:
KI think it more a last blow at "disloyal" employees then setting up a coup. Trump is too stupid to pull that off.
And I think the GOP support..so far...is just out of fear if they piss Trump off he won't go doen to Georgia and campaign for the senate races.
I agree that Trumpism is not going to go away and it will be long term problem;but I think people here are indulging in some "Disaster Porn" when they talk about a coup.
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I’m not convinced he won’t do anything, but I’m not 100% sure he won’t try either. And firing and putting loyalists in place of the command of the people that are supposed to stop a coup, it just got more possible, not less. Have to admit it’s a little disturbing none the less.
 
Republicans in Nevada are claiming that hundreds of votes are fraudulent because the people have moved out of state. The problem is they are military families and their votes are perfectly legal as Nevada is their legal place of residence. Can these guys get any more incompetent?
 
Stacyhs said:
Republicans in Nevada are claiming that hundreds of votes are fraudulent because the people have moved out of state. The problem is they are military families and their votes are perfectly legal as Nevada is their legal place of residence. Can these guys get any more incompetent?
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They need to watch that clip from "Gangs Of New York" I posted in this thread. Now THERE is how you commit voter fraud....
That is why I don't put much credence in the whole Coup theory. Trump and the GOP are not nearly smart enough to poull it off/
 
And I doubt a Supreme Court that is going to let the Aca survive is going to support a coup. Yes, the jusjtisces are more conservative then I would like,but I really doubt they would go for a overturning of the election unless Trump had some real evidence.
 
johnny karate said:
No, that’s not an answer.

You argued that if a sufficient number of people believe a claim to be true in absence of evidence, it is reasonable to proceed as if that claim might be true.

What is the minimum number of people needed to meet that requirement?
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There is no minimum number. It could be 1, it could be 100,000,000. That's why it is a political question.
 
Good Twitter thread by a local reporter about that Hopkins guy, the USPS "whistle blower" who recanted (or maybe didn't).

Worth a read, but bottom line: "So, if there was a plot to fudge ballot postmarks, it only impacted 2 ballots. "
 
acbytesla said:
Absolutely great video made by a British mathematician about Benford's law.

He's entertaining and makes it simple to understand.
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That's Matt Parker. He's an Aussie mathematician that lives in the UK. He's pretty good though.

If you are a numbers nerd his videos are usually a good watch and if you like that kind of thing I can also recommend Numberphile. Another Youtube channel in the same mould.
 
Firestone said:
Good Twitter thread by a local reporter about that Hopkins guy, the USPS "whistle blower" who recanted (or maybe didn't).

Worth a read, but bottom line: "So, if there was a plot to fudge ballot postmarks, it only impacted 2 ballots. "
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Something stinks about this Hopkins guy's story. Rink asks a very good question:

Matthew Rink
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Fourth, I reviewed all the envelopes of late-arriving ballots Tuesday morning. Only 2 with a Nov. 3 postmark were from the Erie facility. However, 9 others postmarked in Erie had the dates of Nov. 4 or later. /
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Matthew Rink
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But let's say Hopkins is telling the truth. The question then is why would the Erie postmaster and others back-date two ballots and not the other nine without knowing which candidate received any of the votes on those ballots in the first place? /end
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Cain said:
Whistleblower with first-hand experience of Democrat corruption:

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If there's any basis to these allegations then that's very worrying indeed. :(

Even if it's difficult to prove that election law had been broken - though it seems to be a cut-and-dried case - animal cruelty laws must have been broken.

Is there any video evidence for these claims ?
 
No Other said:
I want to see how Dave will demonstrate the fallibility of Benford's Law regarding this election... If he is successful, then I have learned something.
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Go back to the hypothetical example I gave: districts of 1000 +/- 10%, a close race in which all districts report between 30% and 70% for each candidate. Let's do the arithmetic. The smallest number of votes cast in any district for either candidate is 270, and the largest is 770. Benford's Law predicts that the most common leading digit must be 1, yet in this instance the leading digit 1 cannot occur at all. Benford's Law will therefore flag this as a suspect election no matter what the actual distribution of leading digits.

Since this was a close election in which the counting was split into more or less similar sized districts, we have to take any analysis on the basis of Benford's Law with a pinch of salt.

Using Benford's Law on the second digit is probably more valid. Since the original claim quite blatantly misrepresented a single cherry-picked example of a second digit analysis, this suggests to me that (a) this was the worst example they could find to further their agenda, and (b) overall a second-digit Benford's Law analysis doesn't suggest any major red flags. But that's just my opinion, and therefore worth very little.

Dave
 
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