Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[abaddon]

Dinesh DSouza is a dishonest lying moron and he's welcome to get out of higher education. I've seen everyone from Christopher Hitchens to Matt Dillahunty to Sam Harris destroy his absurd arguments.

also a convicted felon, like many Trumpets.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets
BALLOT COUNTING ABUSE!

WATCH FOR MASSIVE BALLOT COUNTING ABUSE AND, JUST LIKE THE EARLY VACCINE, REMEMBER I TOLD YOU SO!

 

[abaddon]

Have you brought any fruits or vegetables onto the planet?

Unsure how many grokked that, but kudos.

 

[Firestone]

Trump Tweets
BALLOT COUNTING ABUSE!

WATCH FOR MASSIVE BALLOT COUNTING ABUSE AND, JUST LIKE THE EARLY VACCINE, REMEMBER I TOLD YOU SO!

Ah yes, the vaccine, I remember!

Chief of Staff Mark Meadows says WH aiming to have 100 million doses of Coronavirus vaccine ready to go by end of October. Says goal is to make the the most vulnerable and highest risk people are vaccinated in that first group. Says up to 300 million doses would be ready in Jan.

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1306586684935503872?lang=en

As for vaccinating Americans, Trump said Wednesday, “We think we can start sometime in October."

https://www.euronews.com/2020/09/17...id-19-vaccinations-soon-contradicting-experts

(bolding mine)

 

[pgwenthold]

Ah yes, the vaccine, I remember!



(bolding mine)

Given all the predictions for the vaccine, they were bound to be right...

Remember it was
"It will be available in a couple of months"
"It will be available before the election"
"It will be available before the end of the year"
"It will be available early next year"
"It will be available by the 3rd quarter of next year"

 

[Meadmaker]

I suspect Trump may resign before 20 January, putting Pence in the hot seat for a few weeks, on condition of a full blanket pardon.

I saw some Biden 46 t-shirts. Maybe they will have to be Biden 47 t-shirts.

Seriously, though, I could imagine Trump doing it, even without the pardon part. He's just the sort of guy who would think walking out would be preferable to waiting around until his last day.

 

[Mojo]

trump Tweets

This is good news, it means I won!
cc: @RepDougCollins @SecretarySonny
Quote Tweet

Brian Kemp
@BrianKempGA
Georgia's election result will include legally cast ballots - and ONLY legally cast ballots. Period.

It’s all down to how “legally cast” is defined:

Vote for Trump: legally cast
Vote for Biden: not legally cast

 

[Mojo]

I don't think the Four Seasons thing was a mistake. I think it was a miserable underling lashing out at terrible bosses.

Watching John Oliver last night, they showed footage of two other Republican press conferences from other parts of the country which appeared to be in similar surroundings.

 

[slyjoe]

I saw some Biden 46 t-shirts. Maybe they will have to be Biden 47 t-shirts.

Seriously, though, I could imagine Trump doing it, even without the pardon part. He's just the sort of guy who would think walking out would be preferable to waiting around until his last day.

Nit - presidents are numbered by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Nit - presidents are numbered by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45.

With the notable example of Cleveland, who was the 22nd and 24th president, serving non-consecutive terms.

 

[eerok]

Nit - presidents are numbered by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45.

Trump will be best remembered by the number on his orange jumper, whatever that turns out to be. If someone has a sense of humor, it could also be 45.

 

[The Don]

Nit - presidents are numbered by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45.

Double nit.

In that example Pence would be 46 for the period between President Trump resigning and Biden being inaugurated.

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Nit - presidents are numbered by who they are, not by term. E.g., if Trump had won, he wouldn't be 46, he would still be 45.

I believe Meadmaker is saying if Trump resigns, Pence would become 46, and Biden would become 47.

 

[slyjoe]

I believe Meadmaker is saying if Trump resigns, Pence would become 46, and Biden would become 47.

That would be true. But Trump resigning? C'mon man.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I believe Meadmaker is saying if Trump resigns drowns in his own bile, Pence would become 46, and Biden would become 47.

Revised for plausibility.

Dave

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That would be true. But Trump resigning? C'mon man.

He might if Pence pardons him straight away.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I wonder if it’s as irritating as your habit of scolding people from your disingenuously assumed position of the reasonable middle?

There's nothing disingenuous about my pragmatism. How about you actually provide some support for your weaseling insinuations and attempted well-poisoning for a change?

 

[Disbelief]

Uh, yeah, because any other President, GOP or Democratic, would have totally not worked on funding vaccine research. Only the Trump-man, who hawked fake cures, put the Mypillow guy in charge of multiple COVID things, refused mask mandates, and promised us a vaccine was sure to come any second for months, would pave the way for vaccine research. This despite his anti-vaxxer history.

Meanwhile, the Pfizer vaccine, while impressive, has yet to even submit the safety data to the FDA. That needs to be approved even before distribution (which Trump has done little to nothing about besides saying something about the military). The distribution channel has serious clogs that need addressing (and Trump is ignoring). There also vaccines further along in the channel than Pfizer is, but they are from other countries.

We laughed at Trump because he's made a horde of promises and failed to keep them. This is still another as he tried to force open the economy before any such vaccines were in play.

Pfizer also did not use US funding, they got it from Germany.

 

[Emily's Cat]

All readers have to go by are the words you write.

Do you take those things into mind when you proclaim his good intentions? A simple yes/no will suffice.

I didn't proclaim him to have good intentions. Seriously, has everyone lost the plot so completely? This is absurd.

For some critical thinking practice:

A: Marvin is a rapist!
B: Marvin is aggressive and a bit of a misogynist, but I don't think he's a rapist.
A: Rape supporter! Marvin Fanatic! You're proclaiming Marvin's good intentions!

A: Julie wants to set the building on fire!
B: Julie talks a lot of ****, and she is an abrasive bitch, but I don't believe she actually wants to set the building on fire.
A: Arson evangelist! Julie sycophant! You're proclaiming Julie's good intentions!

Let's backtrack a few years for a discussion that actually occurred...

A: OMG, I'm terrified that Trump is going to push the reed button and start WW3!
Me: I really don't think that's likely to happen. Trump is a blowhard and a braggart and an embarrassing person to have in charge, but I don't think he will actually go that far.
A: You're a Trumpkin!
Me: No, I'm not. I just think you're way overreacting and getting wound up about something that is extraordinarily unlikely to occur. Trump sucks, but he's not, you know, the actual devil.
A: See - that's proof that you secretly love Trump!

At what point among "skeptics" did it become acceptable to assume that failure to emotionally condemn and attack a target due to baseless assumptions and fearmongering somehow get magically transmuted into support for that target? It's completely irrational.

FFS, next you'll be telling me that my failure to jump into one of the bigfoot threads and call people names means that I secretly believe in bigfoot!

 

[Emily's Cat]

Do wannabe dictators ever come out and explicitly say they want to be dictator? You never were worried that his followers wanted him to essentially be dictator?

Some very few idiots might want him to become dictator... but most conservatives (and Republicans even) are actually pretty big on personal liberty and the preservation of the constitution. There's nowhere near enough people that want Trump to be dictator for it to have a chance in hell of occurring.

And that's all assuming that Trump actually genuinely wants to be a dictator. Which I think is a ridiculous assumption, based predominantly on tribal thinking and the eternal need to be outraged about everything.

I am so completely tired of all of this. Not you specifically, just the entire topic. It's been four years of non-stop fearmongering about the horrible evil things that Trump is certain to do. And whenever one of them doesn't happen, a new terror is simply inserted and the manufactured outrage continues unabated.

Trump lost the election. Who the **** gives a crap what he says or what he wants anymore? Just sit back and be happy that Biden won, and let it go.