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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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wareyin said:
Agreed that they are almost certainly valid but not enough to affect the outcome.

I haven't seen the "shrink-wrapped" bit, but that's a good and easy way to keep them separate from the rest but together. It's probably true. I was just going by the "uncounted" bit, but I realize now you could have meant "not included in the tally" by that. I've had too many arguments lately with Trump supporters who all think that we have no idea how many there are but they're enough to overturn PA anyway. I start getting kneejerk responses to certain words, sorry!
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The shrink-wrapped thing was repeated by election officials several times on the CNN live coverage at the time, probably before Saturday. That's definitely the smart thing to do, since there'd be no way for those ballots to "sneak into the count" before they were judged okay. I assumed they'd stay wrapped until the question of their validity was settled, but I heard nothing further about them until now.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm good with that. Trump is down by 45, 000 votes right now and he doesn't want the votes counted? How stupid is that?
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I think at the time the GOP filed their complaints they thought it might make a difference. Or something. Stupidity is also a good theory.
 
acbytesla said:
I think they are. But they must be separated. In other words, the court reserves the right to revoke them and readjust the count. The judge sort of punted.
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Some of them were fixed by the voters (by resubmission) but I have no idea how many.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I understand that mail-in ballots would favor the democrats in any and all states, because of the conversation around it, which party was encouraging it, etc. But why would the advantage be so much larger, massively so, in those swing states vs. other states?

There may be a good explanation, but I haven't seen it so far.
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As a PA person and with PA being on top of that list, I'll poke a little at factors in PA.

1. Obvious one first - Trump's denouncing and fear-mongering about mail-in voting, especially in PA, has dramatically more effect on Republican voters (who already have been seeped in frequently unquestioned false voter fraud claims for many years now). As for Democrats, various Democratic Party favoring groups have been pushing absentee voting hard and effectively since the dangers of COVID became more apparent as a good way to help keep everyone much safer. Such was already quite showing its effects during the primaries, let alone later on.

2. Slightly less obvious one - The location of where the people who used the absentee ballots is. Philadelphia, for example, as a general rule, is a very strongly Democratic Party stronghold, and a heck of a lot of the mail-in votes came there. The ratio was a bit lower in more Republican counties and there were far fewer.

To poke at that further, though, Politico has some relevant information.

That means that 81 percent of state voters who were sent those ballots have returned them. To break it down, more than 1.6 million of those ballots were from registered Democrats, 586,000 were from Republicans, and 278,000 were from independents or third-party voters.

This isn’t surprising or necessarily revealing: Political insiders have expected for months that Democrats would vote disproportionately by mail, while Republicans would vote disproportionately in person.

One stat that is interesting, though, is that 84 percent of registered Democrats who have been sent mail-in or absentee ballots have returned them, compared with 74 percent of Republicans.

When all is said and done, Kathy Boockvar, Pennsylvania’s Secretary of the Commonwealth, said she expects to receive as many as 2.6 million mail-in and absentee ballots. A Philadelphia election official estimated that 400,000 such votes would come from the city.
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It's also safe to say that Trump is much more toxic among the Republicans who were concerned enough about COVID to request absentee ballots in the first place than he is among the general population of Republicans.

3. Both of those are related to the Republican Party having made mail-in voting and COVID into partisan issues and leading the right-wing propaganda machine into spreading disinformation on both. To borrow some stats from Bexar County, TX (which, yes, is not PA, so the numbers here are probably not exactly the same), because there's some indirect relevance - well above 80% of Democrats consider absentee ballots to be safe, easy, accurate, and secure, while only like 20% of Republicans consider absentee ballots to be safe, accurate, or secure... and only about half consider it to be easy. For that matter, less than half of Bexar Republicans think that it has lower health risks than in person voting :jaw-dropp.
 
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Bob001 said:
You probably don't have a box of ballots in your basement. But you could post links to your sources for each of your claims -- if you have them -- so we could assess them for ourselves. For example, claiming "14,000 dead people registered/voted" is dishonest. The fact that a dead person's name hasn't been removed from the rolls doesn't mean anybody else impersonated him to vote. Some voters died after they submitted their legitimate ballots, and those votes were cancelled. Both Snopes and the Detroit papers have responded to this false claim. I suspect most of your claims would also wither under close examination.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/william-bradley-dead-voters-mi/
https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...p-jr-michigan-dead-voters-ballots/3391154001/
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Not only that, how would anyone know that:
Over 14,000 dead people registered / voted
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That would take some serious data analysis that if anyone had done they'd be plastering their study all over the MSM.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
James Woods tweeted

@RealJamesWoods
And just like that the rioting and looting has ceased overnight. And now the half of the country that pummeled America like a battered wife is telling her to put on sunglasses, hide her black eye, be a good girl, and “come together as one.” Her answer? “Go **** yourself.”

They are are already softening the battlefield for the miraculous disappearance of COVID. Should be gone by the inauguration.
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More :crazy:
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Nevada is turning out to be a cesspool of Fake Votes. @mschlapp & @AdamLaxalt are finding things that, when released, will be absolutely shocking

The threshold identification of Ballots is turning out to be even bigger than originally anticipated. A very large number of Ballots are impacted. Stay tuned!

Georgia will be a big presidential win, as it was the night of the Election!

Pennsylvania prevented us from watching much of the Ballot count. Unthinkable and illegal in this country.

Wisconsin is looking very good. Needs a little time statutorily. Will happen soon! @Reince @SeanDuffyWI


Tweets flagged by Twitter This claim about election fraud is disputed
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I wonder if those names are from people who were trolling? Maybe I've been reading too many posts. :p
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
To be honest, the longer Trump strings along his dip-**** followers with this promise of a legal win, the better.

Eventually these people are going to snap when they finally accept that Trump lost, and the less time they have to do damage, the better. Not that they will stop under a Biden administration, but hopefully there will be a more vigorous FBI response to right wing violence than there is currently.

The message to stay calm and wait for Trump to be vindicated is preferable to the rage that is undoubtedly coming.
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Trump's getting more and more convinced he was cheated. People might be stepping away decreasing the crowd by attrition while those core CTers are feeding into Trump's narcissism.

I hope the resulting crowd size is small when Trump has no more legal options.
 
Vixen said:
The BESTEST thing to seal off these last few days is the announcement by Pfizer that a new vaccine is now ready for final approval. Trump will be so GUTTED that Covid19 elimination will all happen under Biden. Is it wicked of me to be giggling at the sight of him bouncing off the walls at the White House right now?
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Knowing Trump as we do now, this will feed into his deep state CT: it was all planned, see they waited until after the election to announce this. Big Pharma wants Biden to be POTUS.
 
Delvo said:
I'm not convinced Trump is seriously still trying to "win". It looks like what he'd be doing if it were another of his scams: pretend to need to do a bunch of lawsuits, raise money to pay for them because he's not actually the mountain of money he's supposed to be, keep the money. The main reason to doubt this is the reports that people in the White House have been describing him as reacting like his denial is real and they can't get him to acknowledge reality. I suppose it could be both: he thinks he has a real case and he (or someone else working for him) is just taking advantage of the situation anyway.
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Yep. According to Trumps' Officail Election Defense Fund:

60% to DJTP for deposit in DJTP’s 2020 General Election Account for the retirement of general election debt (up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000) or, if such debt has been retired or any portion of the contribution would exceed the limit to the 2020 General Election Account, for deposit in DJTP’s Recount Account (up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000); 40% to the RNC’s Operating account (up to a maximum of $35,500/$15,000); and any additional funds to the RNC for deposit in the RNC’s Legal Proceedings account or Headquarters account (up to a maximum of $213,000/$90,000).
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For any donation, 40% goes to the RNC. The other 60% goes to Trump's campaign debt, and only goes toward paying for a recount if the debt is first paid off.

Trump says he will be holding rallies to gain support for a recount. The only purpose of such rallies would be to get donations. People will donate thinking their money will be spent on a recount, but it will be spent paying the campaign debt so that Trump doesn't have to pay it.

Trump is playing golf because he has no idea what to do other sic some lawyers out to do...something...and drag this out to con his supporters out of more cash.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Not only that, how would anyone know that: ?

That would take some serious data analysis that if anyone had done they'd be plastering their study all over the MSM.
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These are just wild accusations. Hearsay on top of hearsay on top of hearsay. It's never multiple individuals saw ballots thrown out or fraudulent ballots being included. No, it's complaints about processes that could have been more efficiently done but which the GOP obstructed.

Their biggest complaints about ballots in Pennsylvania are about provisional votes and votes that were postmarked before the end of voting. This is about their desire to suppress voter participation and not about a dishonest election.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Dinesh D'Souza tweets

@DineshDSouza
There is a great shift under way. We are, all 70 million of us, and our families, going to make our exit OUT of liberal institutions of indoctrination. This means schools, universities, media, entertainment. This won’t happen overnight but it’s happening already. We’re outta here
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Where's he going? :confused:
 
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