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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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The Wisconsin claim that more votes came in than registered voters has already been debunked. The original meme came from someone comparing 2020 voter turnout to 2018 voter registration numbers. All of you may not be shocked that more people voted in 2020 than 2018.

It's nice of ST to post a roundup of most of the unfounded claims from the right wing dumpsterfire in one place.

Turnout in WI was pretty high, as it was across the country, but did not even set the record setting in recent memory. 2004 had higher vote turnout in the state.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-c14705ea715877b472454e57df022a91
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
What did you guys think I was saying when I said I was seeing evidence? Did you think I had some boxes of contested ballots sitting in my living room or?

I think it's a fair use of the term at this juncture to mean "claims / allegations from people who are in a position to make them credibly, which I think warrant investigation"

If people want to retroactively pretend that's what I said, go for it.

I guess we'll just all have to hope that in the next month or so, proper investigations are conducted and we get answers. In you guys' case you can hope that it all amounts to nothing, and maybe makes Trump and his supporters look even more stupid and decisively defeated, and in my case I can hope that it blocks Biden / Harris from coming to power.
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And yet you don't even identify these credible people.

You can save yourself a lot of typing: "People are saying"
 
I think the topic of fraud claims is worthy of its own thread, so I have started one.

As I said in the OP of that thread, I think this thread is very broad and can get diverted around. Also, I think a thread dedicated specifically to fraud claims can concentrate information on that specific topic so that it can be used for debunking purposes by people searching for info.

At least, I hope it serves such a purpose. I've already started the thread.
 
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My claim was / is that I am seeing "evidence" - and by that here I mean "seemingly credible claims by people who are in a position to make such allegations" which at least rise to the level of justifying a careful recount / audit and a proper investigation as to their veracity.
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You saw an assortment of random, unsupported claims made by Trump's propaganda gang that couldn't shoot straight (perhaps the most dishonest collection of scumbags in the history of the republic), and that was enough to constitute "evidence". Interesting.

But let's be honest here. You've already made clear you couldn't care less if any of this drivel is true. You simply want Trump reinstalled by any means necessary, right?
 
trustbutverify said:
You saw an assortment of random, unsupported claims made by Trump's propaganda gang that couldn't shoot straight (perhaps the most dishonest collection of scumbags in the history of the republic), and that was enough to constitute "evidence". Interesting.

But let's be honest here. You've already made clear you couldn't care less if any of this drivel is true. You simply want Trump reinstalled by any means necessary, right?
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Right, but some means are realistic and others are not, and so I am hopeful that these things turn out to be true and viable as means.

I also find them believable because I think the democrats are corrupt and shady (not that the republicans are free of such characteristics, but I think they manifest differently in the two parties) in ways which are consistent with this, and they have decades of documented behavior of this type.
 
Literally the only actual convincing evidence for anything Trump is saying is to look back at the last 4+ years and go "Seriously it has to be true who could make something like this up?"

Reality for the last few years has been very badly written for something that isn't even written.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
What did you guys think I was saying when I said I was seeing evidence? Did you think I had some boxes of contested ballots sitting in my living room or?
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We thought you didn't have it. Seems we were right.

I think it's a fair use of the term at this juncture to mean "claims / allegations from people who are in a position to make them credibly, which I think warrant investigation"
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Ah. Well no, it's not a fair use of the term.

Hans
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Right, but some means are realistic and others are not, and so I am hopeful that these things turn out to be true and viable as means.

I also find them believable because I think the democrats are corrupt and shady (not that the republicans are free of such characteristics, but I think they manifest differently in the two parties) in ways which are consistent with this, and they have decades of documented behavior of this type.
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Your conspiracy theory - like all conspiracy theories - has a fundamental logical flaw. Democrats aren’t in control of the election or its oversight. This fantasy that they would be able to pull off mass voter fraud to the tune of millions of ballots under the noses of all the Republicans also involved in the process is devoid of any connection to reality.
 
I think it'd be delicious if, following a careful investigation of voter fraud in key states, it was found that only a few Republican voters had intentionally cheated. Based on past history, this is somewhat likely to happen.
 
johnny karate said:
Your conspiracy theory - like all conspiracy theories - has a fundamental logical flaw. Democrats aren’t in control of the election or its oversight. This fantasy that they would be able to pull off mass voter fraud to the tune of millions of ballots under the noses of all the Republicans also involved in the process is devoid of any connection to reality.
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You also need to hold that they are incredibly competent at election fraud as to tilt the numbers to Biden, except in all the areas that voted for Trump. I for one don’t find it at all coincidental that the only places they didn’t commit fraud was in places that voted Trump!

(Never mind they seem to have forgotten that senators were also being voted on in many places.)
 
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