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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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And you dont see that the MSM are democrat activists who demonized Trump, and blatantly supported the DNC.??

Never mind what twitter, FB, google, and Ytube did (wholesale silencing of conservative voices)

No. not even close.

Oh nonsense. Wholesale silencing? I just watched Rudy Giuliani on YouTube. He was on Fox News and MSNBC. Kayleigh McEnany has been all over the news. I saw Chris Christie and many others.

Twitter publishes almost all of Trump's tweets with some exceptions. The media carried his press conferences untill it was obvious that Trump never tells the truth on purpose. He simply says a lot of nonsense that is usually false. Sorry, it isn't the main stream media's job to carry out right wing nutjob' s diarrhea of dishonesty.

The problem is you think they have an obligation to publish lies and disinformation. You know. Like the garbage you just posted.

Well they don't. Nor should they.
 
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I hope the Trumpists who insisted the results must be fraudulent because they didn't see trucks with Biden flags are watching the huge crowds celebrating his victory.

Good comment from the Guardian blog:

For the past four years, many have watched in horror or fearful anticipation of what would fall out of the president’s mouth next. On Saturday night, over the course of 30 minutes, Harris and Biden stood before the world to speak of shared values and aspirations, without insulting any nation or group of people, without invoking hatred or fear, and without threats or rancor.

That sound you hear? That’s the sound of billions of people exhaling. It’s been a long four years.
 
There has been a lot of commentary along the lines “so a lot of people voted for Biden but against Dem senators, that can’t happen, it’s fraud”.

Well this is exactly what happens in Australia. Even with landslide victories, it’s rare for the winning party to control the Senate. Why? Because a lot of people (not me) do not want the ruling party to have uncontrolled power. It works pretty well here, with horse trading and compromise making government not so hard. Of course, it requires maturity and common sense to make it work (mostly) in Australia. Can this happen in the US, or will the Senate do nothing but disrupt?
 
There has been a lot of commentary along the lines “so a lot of people voted for Biden but against Dem senators, that can’t happen, it’s fraud”.

Well this is exactly what happens in Australia. Even with landslide victories, it’s rare for the winning party to control the Senate. Why? Because a lot of people (not me) do not want the ruling party to have uncontrolled power. It works pretty well here, with horse trading and compromise making government not so hard. Of course, it requires maturity and common sense to make it work (mostly) in Australia. Can this happen in the US, or will the Senate do nothing but disrupt?

This was a repudiation of Trump himself by many Republicans and Independents, not necessarily of the GOP itself which is why many voted down ballot for GOP reps and senators but Biden for POTUS.
 
This was a repudiation of Trump himself by many Republicans and Independents, not necessarily of the GOP itself which is why many voted down ballot for GOP reps and senators but Biden for POTUS.

Okay. Same result, different motive.
 
It's interesting that many of the world's leaders have have sent congratulatory messages to Biden and Harris on their win but nothing has been heard from several world leaders:
After the news was called by the US’s biggest television networks on Saturday afternoon, there were no initial official statements issued by Russia, Turkey, Israel, Iran, Hungary, Saudi Arabia, and China.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...anada-biden-world-leaders-trump-b1675895.html

Interesting! Their silence is deafening.
 
There has been a lot of commentary along the lines “so a lot of people voted for Biden but against Dem senators, that can’t happen, it’s fraud”.

Well this is exactly what happens in Australia. Even with landslide victories, it’s rare for the winning party to control the Senate. Why? Because a lot of people (not me) do not want the ruling party to have uncontrolled power. It works pretty well here, with horse trading and compromise making government not so hard. Of course, it requires maturity and common sense to make it work (mostly) in Australia. Can this happen in the US, or will the Senate do nothing but disrupt?

For years I voted Democrat for President, US Senator, and Governor, but one particular incumbent Republican for my District's US Congressional Representative. He happened to be doing a great job and I believed he worked diligently for my District's best interests, as well as the country's.

We've had the same party controlling all three branches before. We lived.
 
BTW, can anyone imagine Trump at the inauguration of Biden, shaking his hand etc.?
Has there ever been an inauguration without the current POTUS being present?
 
I just took a quick look over at FOX. Greg Gutfield is mocking Biden's speech calling for unity and putting the nasty rhetoric behind us. Attacking the media, high taxes (57-70%), no more Covid. EW. Just Ew.
 
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Twitter is calling this the most Spinal Tap "Stonehenge" moment of Trump's presidency so far.

The rumour, which seems credible, is that Trump announced the Four Seasons before they'd tried to book anything, and then they had to find somewhere when the hotel was unavailable.
 
Here's my take.

It's not the US's ugly issues we are really talking about. It's the entire world.

The root cause of them all is disinformation.

If we look around the world there are numerous countries where fascist, authoritarian, populist ideologies are holding sway, the US is the largest and easiest to see but it's happening throughout Europe too and has been happening for years in many other countries.

People are suckers for a good story and will convince themselves that X is true despite all evidence to the contrary (see religion) and nowadays we have a way of spreading information rapidly. The internet in general and social media in particular can rapidly disseminate information to anyone who cares to receive it, regardless of how true it is.

Lots of people regard sites like Breitbart (other wingnut "news" sites of all political stripes are available) as credible news sources, when they are anything but. Most of the wingnut news paint the mainstream news as biased and slow and not credible, and people believe them.
"Never believe anything you read in the papers" was an old refrain the same is ever more true of things you read on the internet.
Whatever you think of MSM they are typically regarded by the law as publishing information, and as such they face legal consequences if they make up stuff. Blogs and forums and facebook and twitter notsomuch.

Some bad actors have seen how this works and are weaponising it to a) make a pile of money and b) spread their particular ideology as much as they can. States like Russia and likely others spread many false stories in an effort to destabilise people they regard as their enemies. Some people just like spreading rubbish just for the lolz. Some honestly believe what they are spreading around.

The other facet to this is big data. Google came up with a genius algorithm to place adverts. They wanted to find a way to make money. They provided a very high quality product (internet search) free to use to the world, and they settled on advertising. They placed curated adverts in the search results tailored to individual users. As a result f how good they were at doing that adverts placed with them got more clicks and sold more things and made them piles of money. They keep iterating on and improving their algorithms.
It turns out though that those same algorithms can be used to place "alternative facts" with low educated, low turnout voters. We've seen the rise of big firms like Cambridge Analytica who are *damn* good at what they do. Dominic Cummings pulled this trick over Brexit. Steve Bannon did it with Breitbart and many others.

"A lie has got halfway round the world before the truth even has it's boots on" someone once said.

We need to change things so that we argue both sides of an issue based off of the same set of facts. We need to marginalise conspiracy theories and wingnut news again. We need to get back to healthy debate over issues we face, and how to solve them.
We need to co-operate with and compromise with people who hold opposing views to move things forward.
We need to redistribute wealth, so that the top 1% of the top 1% don't hoard everything and everyone in the world can afford basic human necessities like clean water, food and healthcare.
We need to stop releasing CO2 into the air and find ways to mitigate the damage we've already done to the planet.
We need to build infrastructure to colonise other worlds before another asteroid hits.

We need to do a lot of things. Though it starts with being less partisan and talking with people of opposing viewpoints.

It's not just the US. It's the whole world, though like it or not the US tends to drive a lot of policy in other countries too, so having a POTUS who isn't an unwitting puppet of wingnut ideologues is a good start for now.


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