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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Skeptic Tank said:
1.) A United States citizen has a constitutional right to vote in elections.

2.) Obviously if this is an important and serious right, the notion that it must be established that the person showing up seeking to use that right IS the person with that right and the person they are claiming to use the right of, should be totally uncontroversial and it kind of blows my mind that anyone would push back against this at all.
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Because a citizen has the right to vote, as you have yourself noted in point 1.) it become unconstitutional to impede that right, for example by asking them to jump through unreasonable hoops to do so.

Many people cannot afford to obtain a drivers licence so mandating that you show a DL to be able to vote would be the very definition of unreasonable.

Now the problem becomes what is reasonable. To date noone has been able to answer that question satisfactorily.

On top of that there is no evidence of large scale voter fraud. None. So requiring an id check is fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and it can't be done without placing an unreasonable burden on some US citizens thus impeding their constitutional right to vote.

Show evidence of large scale voting fraud that requires an id check. Or propose a way of checking id that does not place an unreasonable burden on any citizens.
 
MinnesotaBrant said:
Trump sounds like he thinks he will lose Michigan and Pennsylvania with the lawsuit thing
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Well, he has had armies of lawyers on the ground in PA for weeks. He might as well get his money's worth.

Trump is trying to get as many electoral votes as he can. He wants to get to 270 Biden, 268 Trump. That way he can start claiming that the "election was rigged." Even if he cannot win, this is what we will see till january.
 
They might need to do a 'Ceaucescu' to get him out of the White House. Insert Trump's name in its place and we have:

However, Ceaușescu had misjudged the crowd's mood. Roughly eight minutes into his speech, several people began jeering and booing, and others began chanting "Timișoara!" He tried to silence them by raising his right hand and calling for the crowd's attention before order was temporarily restored, then proceeded to announce social benefit reforms that included raising the national minimum wage by 200 lei per month to a total of 2,200 per month by 1 January. Images of Ceaușescu's facial expression as the crowd began to boo and heckle him were among the most widely broadcast of the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe.[14]

Failing to control the crowd, the Ceaușescus finally took cover inside the building that housed the Central Committee of the Romanian Communist Party. The rest of the day saw an open revolt of Bucharest's population, which had assembled in University Square and confronted the police and army at barricades. The rioters, however, were no match for the military apparatus concentrated in Bucharest, which cleared the streets by midnight and arrested hundreds of people in the process.

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Ceaușescu made a last desperate attempt to address the crowd gathered in front of the Central Committee building, but the people in the square began throwing stones and other projectiles at him, forcing him to take refuge in the building once more. He, Elena and four others managed to get to the roof and escape by helicopter, only seconds ahead of a group of demonstrators who had followed them there.

<snip> Ceaușescu and his wife Elena fled the capital with Emil Bobu and Manea Mănescu and flew by helicopter to Ceaușescu's Snagov residence, from which they fled again, this time to Târgoviște. They abandoned the helicopter near Târgoviște, having been ordered to land by the army, which by that time had restricted flying in Romania's airspace. The Ceaușescus were held by the police while the policemen listened to the radio. They were eventually turned over to the army.

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The Ceaușescus were executed by a gathering of soldiers: Captain Ionel Boeru, Sergeant-Major Georghin Octavian and Dorin-Marian Cîrlan,[41] while reportedly hundreds of others also volunteered. Before his sentence was carried out, Nicolae Ceaușescu sang "The Internationale" whilst being led up against the wall. The firing squad began shooting as soon as the two were in position against a wall.

Later that day, the execution was also shown on Romanian television.[42] The hasty show trial and the images of the dead Ceaușescus were videotaped and the footage released in numerous Western countries two days after the execution.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu

Of course, Trump and Melania wouldn't be executed but, hey, who knows what the future holds with all of the allegations.
 
dirtywick said:
I think he should put him in a cabinet. Maybe cut a few air holes in it
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McConnell? He doesn't need air. All of his blood died decades ago, it basically just circulates as a cooling system to keep the rot limited. With less success lately.
 
I look forward to the sight of Trump being dragged from the White House, looking more deranged than Julian Assange as he was dragged from the Ecuador embassy.
 
Ambrosia said:
Because a citizen has the right to vote, as you have yourself noted in point 1.) it become unconstitutional to impede that right, for example by asking them to jump through unreasonable hoops to do so.

Many people cannot afford to obtain a drivers licence so mandating that you show a DL to be able to vote would be the very definition of unreasonable.

Now the problem becomes what is reasonable. To date noone has been able to answer that question satisfactorily.

On top of that there is no evidence of large scale voter fraud. None. So requiring an id check is fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and it can't be done without placing an unreasonable burden on some US citizens thus impeding their constitutional right to vote.

Show evidence of large scale voting fraud that requires an id check. Or propose a way of checking id that does not place an unreasonable burden on any citizens.
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If people are really concerned about voter fraud committed by anyone without ID, there are easy ways to address this nonexistent problem. Instead of preventing their vote, you could require not only that they sign an affidavit that spells out that voter fraud is a felony punishable by prison, but take a digital photo and get a thumbprint.

But I bet this isn't satisfactory for Tank because he's more interested in preventing votes that he's afraid won't tilt his way.
 
Trump Tweets

We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....

there was a large number of secretly dumped ballots as has been widely reported!

Second part of this tweet was marked as misleading
 
I think it’s over now that MI is called. NV is completely done with the in person vote with Biden up 8k, it’s entirely mail in ballots left and likely to expand his lead.
 
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