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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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rdwight said:
Definitely is an influx of New Yorkers currently into NJ, but doubt there is hard polling data of the reasoning. More work from home opportunity seems like the larger and most obvious possibility.
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Certainly. The further one is from the rioting and looting, the easier it is to imagine that it is some other thing that is the primary driver of the white flight.
 
Distracted1 said:
Yes. Real estate is a booming industry right now as people flee the cities.
There are influxes of investor money in the urban neighborhoods- it is a good time to snatch up property to rent out- and it is safer than keeping ones' cash in China.
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How can you rent a house when nobody wants to live in that area anymore?

I guess I should explain part of the joke about home sales indicating that everyone is leaving. It's a long running bit to tell people not to come to Atlanta, we're full. And despite your claims, population doesn't seem to be dropping. Rather the other way around.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Well I'm glad that we agree that having to live around people like that is a punishment.

They have a very large country to live in, Indians should be in India. It's right there in the name.
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It wouldn't be punishment for me. I have black and Asian neighbors and it bothers me not in the slightest.
 
wareyin said:
How can you rent a house when nobody wants to live in that area anymore?

I guess I should explain part of the joke about home sales indicating that everyone is leaving. It's a long running bit to tell people not to come to Atlanta, we're full. And despite your claims, population doesn't seem to be dropping. Rather the other way around.
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Research "ghetto".

What happens when people who are able to leave do so, is that the people left are there because they are stuck there.
 
Distracted1 said:
Gentrification was in full swing here already.
Was overall a good thing, bringing tax dollars to the city and improving neighborhoods.

This is different. This is the end of the gentrification, and the 1970's and 80's all over again.
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I don't buy it.
 
Distracted1 said:
Research "ghetto".

What happens when people who are able to leave do so, is that the people left are there because they are stuck there.
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Ok. Research population increase, which is not what happens when all the people who are able to leave do so.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Correction: nothing says "your country has filled up with millions of civilizationally incompatible pieces of crap" quite so powerfully as needing to take such measures.
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I know did you see what those scum did in New York and New Jersey on the bridges? And those things that surrounded the Biden bus, they barely qualify as humans.
 
Distracted1 said:
I need do no such thing.
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Yes, we all can see you have no evidence or anything to support your assertion and implications.

You point out that suburbs are poplar destination for someone wanting to get home (let's generously assume "houses in suburban Philadelphia don't stay on the market more than a day or two" is actually true) and then wildly handwave, insinuate and imply that 1. this means people are running away from cities into suburbs and 2. it is due to riots.

But don't worry, I already said I understand what you actually are trying to do here.
 
Distracted1 said:
I need do no such thing.
If you wish to reject an obvious reality because it sits uncomfortably upon your world-view, feel free.
I am experiencing it first-hand, and your assertions that what is happening is not happening are so laughably out of touch that bothering to disabuse you of your illusions is exhausting to contemplate.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t happening. But for it to be anything other than a non sequitur, it needs to be relevant to the discussion at hand.

Is it?
 
acbytesla said:
I don't buy it.
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Has happened before.
I grew up in Detroit in the Seventies and Eighties I have first hand memories of how this went.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit




From the link:
conomic and social fallout of the 1967 riots

Per capita income in Detroit and surrounding region from the 2000 census. The dotted line represents the city boundary.
After the riots, thousands of small businesses closed permanently or relocated to safer neighborhoods, and the affected district lay in ruins for decades.[27]

Of the 1967 riots, politician Coleman Young, Detroit's first black mayor, wrote in 1994:

"The heaviest casualty, however, was the city. Detroit's losses went a hell of a lot deeper than the immediate toll of lives and buildings. The riot put Detroit on the fast track to economic desolation, mugging the city and making off with incalculable value in jobs, earnings taxes, corporate taxes, retail dollars, sales taxes, mortgages, interest, property taxes, development dollars, investment dollars, tourism dollars, and plain damn money. The money was carried out in the pockets of the businesses and the people who fled as fast as they could. The white exodus from Detroit had been prodigiously steady prior to the riot, totally twenty-two thousand in 1966, but afterward, it was frantic. In 1967, with less than half the year remaining after the summer explosion, the outward population migration reached sixty-seven thousand. In 1968 the figure hit eighty-thousand, followed by forty-six thousand in 1969.[25]"
 
Distracted1 said:
I think the events of this year are a bit too recent for there to be numbers on how Atlanta's population is changing.
These events are new this year.
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The city of Atlanta had a population increase of 2.5% from 2019 to 2020, while the Atlanta metro region grew by 2.01% over the same period. Home sales within the city and throughout the region have been brisk for the last several years. Claiming that home sales this year are indicative of people leaving is wrong when taking historical trends into account. In fact, claiming that the same things that have signified a growing city suddenly signify a shrinking city is the premature claim. Until you have evidence that people are leaving, you're merely speculating. And that, based off of faulty assumptions and no data.
 
Mader Levap said:
Yes, we all can see you have no evidence or anything to support your assertion and implications.

You point out that suburbs are poplar destination for someone wanting to get home (let's generously assume "houses in suburban Philadelphia don't stay on the market more than a day or two" is actually true) and then wildly handwave, insinuate and imply that 1. this means people are running away from cities into suburbs and 2. it is due to riots.

But don't worry, I already said I understand what you actually are trying to do here.
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What discussion are you referring to?
Are cities experiencing an accelerated "white flight"? (in this instance "white" can be replaced with "middle/working class") and is that flight being accelerated by the "unrest" taking place within their borders?


That is the discussion we are having, no?

ETA: ooops. this response was not directed at the quoted poster, sorry.
 
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wareyin said:
The city of Atlanta had a population increase of 2.5% from 2019 to 2020, while the Atlanta metro region grew by 2.01% over the same period. Home sales within the city and throughout the region have been brisk for the last several years. Claiming that home sales this year are indicative of people leaving is wrong when taking historical trends into account. In fact, claiming that the same things that have signified a growing city suddenly signify a shrinking city is the premature claim. Until you have evidence that people are leaving, you're merely speculating. And that, based off of faulty assumptions and no data.
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Has Atlanta had riots/looting/general unrest this year?
I do not recall it being a city that experienced that.
 
Distracted1 said:
Certainly. The further one is from the rioting and looting, the easier it is to imagine that it is some other thing that is the primary driver of the white flight.
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I have a couple of friends who bolted from the highly populated areas to distant areas because they had always wanted to live in a more rural zone, but they couldn't find jobs there. Along comes work from home, and they saw their chance. I think it's the primary driver this year.
 
Distracted1 said:
Has Atlanta had riots/looting/general unrest this year?
I do not recall it being a city that experienced that.
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Yes, Atlanta has. It was during one set of riots that Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms rose enough in national prominence that there were serious talks of her becoming Biden's running mate.
 
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