Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2

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Scopedog said:
Did Lincoln say this?
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he did not nominate a new Judge for the seat that opened up 27 days before an election.

But arguably, the reason was not that he thought he shouldn't so close to an election, but rather that he didn't have the time and/or thought that he had the election in the bag anyway.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
he did not nominate a new Judge for the seat that opened up 27 days before an election.

But arguably, the reason was not that he thought he shouldn't so close to an election, but rather that he didn't have the time and/or thought that he had the election in the bag anyway.
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That is what is so transparent about this: they know they are being voted out of power so they have to act now, against the wishes of the American public.

The Biden camp should hammer that message: Trump and the GOP are trying to act before you can kick them out. They don't care what you want.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
he did not nominate a new Judge for the seat that opened up 27 days before an election.

But arguably, the reason was not that he thought he shouldn't so close to an election, but rather that he didn't have the time and/or thought that he had the election in the bag anyway.
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It was simply impossible to confirm a nominee. Congress wasn't in session and probably couldn't arrive in time to confirm a nominee.
 
Trump Tweets

Hunter Biden’s laptop is a disaster for the entire Biden family, but especially for his father, Joe. It is now a proven fact, and cannot be denied, that all of that info is the REAL DEAL. That makes it impossible for “50%, or 10%” Joe, to ever assume the office of the President!
 
The series of Trump tweets really should all be moved to the thread about his mental condition.

It will be interesting, from a psychological point of view, to see what he does once he's out, and what the worst of his followers do. I have little doubt that he'll continue the "rallies", probably at first whining & ranting about having been kicked out but then later trying to act like it never happened, as if he were still there. And of course the media will keep covering that more than it covers what the actual government is doing. But then what else from there? Audiences becoming anarchist rabbles going around committing random attacks & vandalism like they pretended the left was doing not long ago? Slowly dwindling audience size as the extremists start realizing they're in the same position as Germany post-Hitler and need to figure out how to pretend there was no connection between them and him if they're ever to be taken seriously by anybody again? Rallies located at, or marching to, government buildings to besiege so they can feel more like they're accomplishing something instead of just commiserating over the fact that they didn't? The cult finds a new leader to transfer to? And what about Trump himself? He's falling apart in a way that looks like a cult leader heading toward the cult's mass suicide, but nothing about the doctrine that he and his cult have been spouting seems to indicate that that's where this is going, at least not for most of them even if he does it himself. But I wouldn't be surprised by a few public protest/rally/march events by his cultists with a bunch of Kim-Jung-Il-like public wailing about the country's horrible loss and demands for the greatest memorial ever.
 
Stacyhs said:
It wasn't impossible. He could have called a special session.
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You're taking into account travel times of that era and the lack of broadcast media?

They had to be in their states to campaign.

Also worth noting Congress reconvened on the 5th of December and his nomination came on the 6th.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

FDR’s own party told him you cannot PACK the United States Supreme Court, it would permanently destroy the Court. @judgejeanine @tedcruz
But now the Radical Left Democrats are pushing Biden to do this. He has zero chance against them!
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This of course not what FDR's party told him. An act of Congress expanded the court in 1867 and an Act of Congress could do it again.
 
Stacyhs said:
It wasn't impossible. He could have called a special session.
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How long would it take the Senators to get the message? How long would it take for them to make arrangements for a trip back to Washington DC? How long would it take for a sufficient number of Republicans to get back to Washington DC? Just Asking Questions.
 
Scopedog said:
How long would it take the Senators to get the message? How long would it take for them to make arrangements for a trip back to Washington DC? How long would it take for a sufficient number of Republicans to get back to Washington DC? Just Asking Questions.
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In the age of telegraph and railroads ?

Minutes to get the message.

A day or two to travel.
 
The Don said:
In the age of telegraph and railroads ?



Minutes to get the message.



A day or two to travel.
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Sure, minutes.

Assuming the recipient is snoozing in the chair in the telegraph office at the time the message is transmitted.

Otherwise you have to wait for them to make their rounds for the day.

If you're off campaigning 3 counties over, it'll be waiting when you get back (which could be weeks of continuous campaigning down the home stretch).

Days to travel? Yeah you have no conception of life at the time.

Days to prepare and make ready for that kind of trip.

Cure trail meats, pack in salt, get currency from the bank, inspect the animals to assure they are healthy enough to bear you, take it generally easy a few days to prepare yourself, contact neighbors to look after wife & kids, etc.

Because there aren't whistle stops in every cow pasture. Even at a major town, they may only see a couple of passenger trains a week.

Winter travel could have you immobilized for days.

Just let this sad claim die like it deserves.
 
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The Don said:
In the age of telegraph and railroads ?

Minutes to get the message.

A day or two to travel.
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Very optimistic. Amusingly, the questions I presented are just what occurred to me when Harris raised the issue but I guess I'm a retard.
 
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Delphic Oracle said:
Sure, minutes.

Assuming the recipient is snoozing in the chair in the telegraph office at the time the message is transmitted.

Otherwise you have to wait for them to make their rounds for the day.

If you're off campaigning 3 counties over, it'll be waiting when you get back (which could be weeks of continuous campaigning down the home stretch).

Days to travel? Yeah you have no conception of life at the time.

Days to prepare and make ready for that kind of trip.

Cure trail meats, pack in salt, get currency from the bank, inspect the animals to assure they are healthy enough to bear you, take it generally easy a few days to prepare yourself, contact neighbors to look after wife & kids, etc.

Because there aren't whistle stops in every cow pasture. Even at a major town, they may only see a couple of passenger trains a week.

Winter travel could have you immobilized for days.

Just let this sad claim die like it deserves.
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I think the reality is somewhere in between your statement and his. I doubt that many senators heading out for Washington D. C. even on an unplanned trip, would start by curing trail meats.


On the other hand, it would be sufficiently inconvenient that by the time they got there in a week or so, they would be mighty upset about it.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Sure, minutes.

Assuming the recipient is snoozing in the chair in the telegraph office at the time the message is transmitted.

Otherwise you have to wait for them to make their rounds for the day.

If you're off campaigning 3 counties over, it'll be waiting when you get back (which could be weeks of continuous campaigning down the home stretch).

Days to travel? Yeah you have no conception of life at the time.

Days to prepare and make ready for that kind of trip.

Cure trail meats, pack in salt, get currency from the bank, inspect the animals to assure they are healthy enough to bear you, take it generally easy a few days to prepare yourself, contact neighbors to look after wife & kids, etc.

Because there aren't whistle stops in every cow pasture. Even at a major town, they may only see a couple of passenger trains a week.

Winter travel could have you immobilized for days.

Just let this sad claim die like it deserves.
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These are senators, important men, not some anonymous backwoodsman. This is also the 1860s not the 1760s.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think the reality is somewhere in between your statement and his. I doubt that many senators heading out for Washington D. C. even on an unplanned trip, would start by curing trail meats.





On the other hand, it would be sufficiently inconvenient that by the time they got there in a week or so, they would be mighty upset about it.
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Agreed, some stretching (okay you can stop by the general store to buy already cured trail meat). Point being it isn’t a few hours packing and a 30 minute cab ride to the airport.

Also correct that the political calculus was bad.

I'll also correct myself. Senators didn't campaign to be elected at the time. Though that throws some of the waiting for election results claim into even more confusion. So its a mess.

My conclusion: maybe we shouldn't try to make some kind of precedent out of it.
 
The Don said:
These are senators, important men, not some anonymous backwoodsman. This is also the 1860s not the 1760s.
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Okay, but that still doesn't mean they can receive telegraph messages minutes later and cross half a continent in days.

Moving on.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Okay, but that still doesn't mean they can receive telegraph messages minutes later and cross half a continent in days.

Moving on.
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If Lincoln called for the senate to convene, it would have been big news. That would have gone out on the telegraphs to all the newspapers. People would have been rushing to inform any senators not in Washing DC. The message would have got out within a day, and probably much sooner.

Travel time from most states would have been about 3 days. For California and Oregon would have been about a month. The first transcontinental railroad would not be completed for another 5 years. But no senators running for reelection in those states (Nevada was just becoming a state and would not elect senators until a few months later.)

There were only 8-10 senators running for re-election (we don't know exactly what happened in a couple cases). This was during the civil war. The seceded states did not have senators in the U.S. Senate.

This was before the 17th amendment. Senators were elected by state legislatures. While some may have been campaigning for their party in general, most senators were probably still in Washington.

All states with senators up for reelection were within about 3 days travel. The exception was Kansas which would have been a week or more, but Senator Jim Lane may not have returned to Washington anyway since he was fighting the civil war and preparing for the Battle of Westport.

Nearly the full senate probably could have been assembled within 5 days. A quorum probably could have been assembled in a day or two.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Hunter Biden’s laptop is a disaster for the entire Biden family, but especially for his father, Joe. It is now a proven fact, and cannot be denied, that all of that info is the REAL DEAL. That makes it impossible for “50%, or 10%” Joe, to ever assume the office of the President!
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Bolding mine.... Have I missed something or is Trump just talking out of his arse as usual?
 
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