Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Therefore shooting random police is understandable?

Understandable actually seems like an apt word. If every instance of violence is approached with wanton disregard for those of that specific profession against people you identify with, to mirror those feelings seems inevitable. An increasingly unsurprising amount of outrage is directed at the words and actions of people that can literally mirror the behavior they've experienced and be painted as less for doing so.
 
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1308961457678299137?s=19

Right wing morons spinning up a CT because protestors brought canvas signs in a u-haul.

"Who's funding this" they ask. U-hauls go for like $20 plus mileage. Even the filthy poors can scrape that up.

If course, it's Soros. Da joos!

Oh noes, hand-painted signs carried in the back of a cheap and likely poorly-maintained rental truck!

Seriously, Soros, people need money for food, rent, and guns protection, you need to contribute more than this.

(I notice that the link is for the show from the woman who threw a Nazi salute at the 2016 RNC convention, on national television, though.)
 
Nah, no point burning businesses and the like.

Of course there is, they're the ones making the laws. If you want the laws to change, you have to go after big business.

But in the end, it's just another PD that needs to be muzzled, meaning defunded, or disbanded and replaced, one of many across the US. Better to be productive, than just flail around and wreck things like a MAGAt.

Oh please, you're closer to a MAGAt than the people who actually understand that, in order to change the law, one should go after the bourgeoisie. Granted, general strikes are a better way of doing so, but burning down businesses has been known to work too such as with the apartheid thing in South Africa.

It seems to me that, to the contrary, you want responses to be unproductive. What are you suggesting instead, "peaceful protest" and "voting even harder for the democratic party"?
 
Of course there is, they're the ones making the laws. If you want the laws to change, you have to go after big business.

And burning down a Target store, along with a few cars and local businesses, will not accomplish this.

Oh please, you're closer to a MAGAt than the people who actually understand that, in order to change the law, one should go after the bourgeoisie. Granted, general strikes are a better way of doing so, but burning down businesses has been known to work too such as with the apartheid thing in South Africa.

a general strike would work vastly better than setting a few fires - if it's sustained. I seriously have refused to touch facebook for well over a decade for this exact reason. Sending out invites? I'm not looking at them. Pictures of your baby? Here's my email. I'll grant that other social media sites - YouTube, Twitter, and the like - are often a mess, but they are at least putting in some effort. FB is a disaster, and has been for well over a decade. Wish a lot more people would join me in this one.

It seems to me that, to the contrary, you want responses to be unproductive. What are you suggesting instead, "peaceful protest" and "voting even harder for the democratic party"?

Nonviolent protest has worked in the past, after all. Among other things, it draws a sharp contrast that it's the supremacists, cop-lovers, and the like who are actually out of control and violent, whereas burning some store only sets people against the cause. And they should, ideally, have a clear message, goals, an an endgame - much like the Montgomery Bus boycott did. Will some people turn violent regardless out of rage? Yup. Can't stop them, so don't worry about it.

Most of the companies you'd supposedly attack are already putting up BLM signs, celebrating Black History month and LGBT Pride month, and so on - not because they care, but because it's profitable to do so. Better to get them to do more, than to say "Well thanks for slapping me after I took your side, forget I said anything."

(and as always, this isn't Rock Paper Scissors - there's nothing one can do to force change immediately. Voting for better DAs, better mayors, and the like is incredibly important - far beyond even the Oval Office)
 
"I used to think black people deserved to not be murdered in the street by police... but then I saw a store on fire and now I don't know what to think."
 
And burning down a Target store, along with a few cars and local businesses, will not accomplish this.

Depends on how many you burn down.

a general strike would work vastly better than setting a few fires - if it's sustained. I seriously have refused to touch facebook for well over a decade for this exact reason. Sending out invites? I'm not looking at them. Pictures of your baby? Here's my email. I'll grant that other social media sites - YouTube, Twitter, and the like - are often a mess, but they are at least putting in some effort. FB is a disaster, and has been for well over a decade. Wish a lot more people would join me in this one.

Wait, what does facebook have to do with this?

Nonviolent protest has worked in the past, after all.

Hardly ever, and definitely not on its own. It's mostly either a historical whitewashing, such as in the case of the American Civil Rights movement (focusing on MLK's non-violent marches while leaving out the Black Panthers as well as the regular widespread rioting) or the Indian Independence movement (focusing on Gandhi's non-violence while leaving out the guerilla warfare by several strong insurgent groups), or cases of regime change backed up by US military threats.

Most of the companies you'd supposedly attack are already putting up BLM signs, celebrating Black History month and LGBT Pride month, and so on - not because they care, but because it's profitable to do so.

If these companies were, as you say, putting these up because it's profitable to do and not because they care, then they would continue doing so afterwards since that argument didn't change. But even so, it'd be better if these companies were to use their law-making powers to enact actual changes than to just put up some profitable posters.

Better to get them to do more, than to say "Well thanks for slapping me after I took your side, forget I said anything."

And yet you simply assert this after 1) being shown historical precedent of the success of arson campaigns in forcing companies to make specific decisions and 2) your own acknowledgement of the reason for the effectivity of such, it's more profitable to withdraw from South Africa than see their capital go up in flames - maybe it's also more profitable to use their lobbyists to push through some decent legal reform than to see their capital go up in flames, who knows? - and 3) your own acknowledgement of the reason why, if said companies are now putting up profitable posters, it wouldn't make them stop doing so, exactly because it doesn't stop being profitable to put them up.
 
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Do people think riots are organized actions by groups of people?

Riots happen during times of civil unrest. If you are in a position of power and don't want riots, take the necessary steps to reduce/eliminate civil unrest.

How often do riots happen when there is no civil unrest, not including riots that occur after major sporting events (which are also not organized)?
 
Seattle bike cop intentionally runs over head of downed protestor.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1309126503985221639?s=19

To be fair, the guy looks like he's deliberately getting down putting himself in directly their path, not "downed", and the cop is rolling (Which he clearly picked up too), not riding the bicycle, so it's not a huge bunch of weight on the "speedbumps" head ether.
Given the real outbursts of honest to gosh violence delivered from both directions, this really is making a mountain of of an idiot laying on the ground.
:rolleyes:
 
To be fair, the guy looks like he's deliberately getting down putting himself in directly their path, not "downed", and the cop is rolling (Which he clearly picked up too), not riding the bicycle, so it's not a huge bunch of weight on the "speedbumps" head ether.
Given the real outbursts of honest to gosh violence delivered from both directions, this really is making a mountain of of an idiot laying on the ground.
:rolleyes:

You're right about it not being the worst of the worst and rolling resulting in low weight, but come on. Is this how a professional police officer should ever behave under any circumstances?

"Hey, I didn't shoot him. Just assaulted him because protesters are unworthy second class citizens. I mean, he was almost black...he was white trash!"

*high fives other officers all around*
 
To be fair, the guy looks like he's deliberately getting down putting himself in directly their path, not "downed", and the cop is rolling (Which he clearly picked up too), not riding the bicycle, so it's not a huge bunch of weight on the "speedbumps" head ether.
Given the real outbursts of honest to gosh violence delivered from both directions, this really is making a mountain of of an idiot laying on the ground.
:rolleyes:

Huh. The cop isn't even on the bike - he's got one hand on the handlebars and the other on the seat. And the guy who laid down in front of the cops had on a helmet.

Rude, but not injurious, I think.
 
Getting closer to that here. Near miss for a molotov thrown in Portland last night

https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie/status/1309003813907554308?s=19

It depends on what you want to achieve I guess. If you want to really delay their advance then you need volume of fire, and preferably barricades in narrow alleys and such. Consider this event in Exarchia, Athens last year. IIRC it was successful in delaying the advance of the cops to Exarchia Square to the extent that the vast majority of undocumented people the cops were trying to capture, and effectively throw in camps, had "disappeared" from the festival there by the time the cops had managed to finally arrive. Something similar happened in 2016 IIRC, from which the following footage comes
 
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Do people think riots are organized actions by groups of people?

Riots happen during times of civil unrest. If you are in a position of power and don't want riots, take the necessary steps to reduce/eliminate civil unrest.

How often do riots happen when there is no civil unrest, not including riots that occur after major sporting events (which are also not organized)?

Seems like this would be an easy concept to grasp for all the police brutality apologists who argue versions of “Well, what do you expect?” every time someone is shot or beaten by a cop for not being immediately and passively obedient.
 
You're right about it not being the worst of the worst and rolling resulting in low weight, but come on. Is this how a professional police officer should ever behave under any circumstances?

"Hey, I didn't shoot him. Just assaulted him because protesters are unworthy second class citizens. I mean, he was almost black...he was white trash!"

*high fives other officers all around*
Yeah, I win all the arguments that take place in my own head too!
It's great because my opponents always behave exactly how I know they are going to.
 

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