Bill Barr and his October Surprise

Barr has mostly been in administrative and consulting positions according to Wiki.
Barr did corporate legal work for GTE and its successor company Verizon Communications, which made him a multimillionaire. From 2009 to 2018, Barr served on the board of directors for Time Warner.
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Everything about him drips corruption and partisanship.
On December 11, 2019, former Attorney General Eric Holder, who had served under President Obama, wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post claiming William Barr is "unfit to be attorney general"[258] for his "naked partisan[ship]", "attempts to vilify the president's critics", his attacks on the inspector general and his comments on ongoing investigations.[258]
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Ziggurat said:
Is he wrong? What intrusion on civil liberties has been greater than the lockdown?
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Neolithic Revolution Governance is based on accepting community over tribal strife and warfare. Results in, gee, civilization. The Encyclopedia Britannica is full of discussion of all those things one can learn when civilized. Recommended.

What greater willful misunderstanding of freedom than that of the savage who cannot accept rational behavior as a restraint to enable survival of the community he benefits from?

Please, don't make it so easy.
 
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
Universal draft? You don't have to stay home instead you are forcefully rounded up and sent off somewhere to be maimed or killed.
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I appreciate, in a way that's not entirely mature, how this smacked down the inane (implied) claim you replied to. My contribution wasn't so bad either.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
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Everything about him drips corruption and partisanship.
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According to multiple reports, he's been a thug all his life.
Childhood bullies have a predisposition to become adult bullies, research shows, and, sure enough, it seems Attorney General William Barr was a teenage bully more than 50 years ago.
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/opinions-so-this-is-why-bill-barr-is-such-a-bully/ar-BB15fZCJ

He also thought the President could declare war by executive order:
Billy said, ‘All the president needs to declare war is an executive order. That is all!’
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-untold-tale-of-young-william-barr
 
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DetectedMotion said:
really?? What Liberties have you lost on the lockdown? The freedom to contract the Coronavirus during a pandemic??
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Imagine Trump being president, and the trumpkins citizens, of Britain during World War II.
"The "world war" is a hoax from my political opponents! It's just one plane coming in from Germany! They Nazi troops in Poland will go away like a miracle! I don't wanna stop the blitz because the counties voting for my opponent seem to be hit the hardest! I visited Germany and Hitler gave me a soccer ball!"

"We're supposed to do blackouts? Rationing? Blinding curtains? MY RIGHTS!"
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Barr has mostly been in administrative and consulting positions according to Wiki.

Everything about him drips corruption and partisanship.
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In addition to being an overt threat to our democracy, it's just embarrassing that we have an AG who would suggest charging people with sedition. I don't want to tell anyone how to do their job here, but it's pretty basic that you charge the crime you've got, not the crime you want. Any US or AUSA who went before a judge with a protestor and charged sedition would be publicly humiliated.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Imagine Trump being president, and the trumpkins citizens, of Britain during World War II.
"The "world war" is a hoax from my political opponents! It's just one plane coming in from Germany! They Nazi troops in Poland will go away like a miracle! I don't wanna stop the blitz because the counties voting for my opponent seem to be hit the hardest! I visited Germany and Hitler gave me a soccer ball!"

"We're supposed to do blackouts? Rationing? Blinding curtains? MY RIGHTS!"
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Sadly, I can see that as his actual response in that scenario.
And, just as sad, many of the Making America Go Anarchy" crowd will suck up Barr's analogy as gospel. :mad::rolleyes:
 
Ziggurat said:
What intrusion on civil liberties has been greater than the lockdown?
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
Universal draft? You don't have to stay home instead you are forcefully rounded up and sent off somewhere to be maimed or killed.
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I'm not a fan of when posters fail to own their bull ****.

Not Zig said:
Good point. I hadn't considered that. I got wrapped up in right wing talking points and lost perspective. There wasn't even a federal lockdown! That shows just how far off the mark I was. Thanks Gord!
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varwoche said:
I'm not a fan of when posters fail to own their bull ****.
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I don't think you can expect that from rethuglicans. If they were capable of things like admitting to mistake (like saying utterly silly thing out of touch with reality), they wouldn't be rethuglicans in first place.
 
First "greater intrusion on civil liberties" I can think of is police telling citizens to stay home because there are protests in the city, and firing paint bullets on families legally standing in the doorways of their own homes. Policemen beating up peaceful protesters. Policemen using tear gas to clear a crowd for a president's photo op. The countless (100+) attacks on journalists just doing their jobs, some of whom have sustained lasting injuries. The incarceration and abuse, including ******* sterilisation, and separation of families for just seeking asylum. Widespread voting suppression in Democrat-leaning areas. The widespread corruption in the police force and justice system. The more things I list, the more things I can think of.

But it's being asked to wear a mask and stay home to save lives during a ******* pandemic that's upsetting. Why should Ziggurat and the others care what happens when their political opponents demonstrate, and the MSM reports on the protests? Why should they care what happens to foreigners or brown people?

If you're going to widen it to all of American history, it becomes even more ridiculous. The incarceration of all Americans with Japanese descent during WWII? Institutionalised slavery (as was mentioned)? The Bush regime punishing dissenters by putting them on no-fly lists? The kidnapping and torture of people during the same regime? The treatment of Indians, and African-Americans throughout US history?

Heck, I'd even say that large-scale evacuations are a pretty big infringement on civil liberties. A perfectly justified one in most cases, but still a dramatic thing to be asked to do, whether it's due to weather phenomenon, 9/11, or other threats.

Sort of OT, but important:
A significant amount of trumpkins have voted for the Leopards Eating Peoples' Faces Party, imagining that the leopards are only ever going to eat their opponents' faces. They won't.
 
Stacyhs said:
Has Barack Obama ever been appointed to a "top jurist" position? Or nominated to one?
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Is there any question or comment that can't be answered with "butbutobama" :rolleyes: ? Either they really can't stand the guy, or they think we all adore him to death and hold him up as some sort of saintly idol of how a president should behave. Or both.
 
theprestige said:
Neither has Barack Obama. Somehow he's one of the nation's top jurists, tho.
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What do you think "jurist" means? Obama is a Constitutional law scholar who taught at Harvard Law. That makes him a jurist.
A jurist is a person with expert knowledge of law; someone who studies, analyses and comments on law.[
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurist

Somebody who hears traffic cases in municipal court is a judge, but that doesn't make him a jurist. A city prosecutor who puts street criminals in jail tries cases, but that doesn't make him a jurist either.
 
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