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Cont: Trans Women are not Women 4

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Sherkeu said:
Read this article and let me what you think of it. (goes for the rest of y'all too!)

Why transgender people are ignored by modern medicine
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:boggled: I don't even have words for this. It's asinine. The article repeatedly claims that medicine is differentiated by gender. It's not - it's differentiated by sex. Hell, the article itself even says in bold "male and female biology is fundamentally different". But it still seems to imply that the problem here is with the medical community.

Is it that hard for a reasonable person to tell the doctors that they are female by sex, regardless of their gender identity?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
A more apt analogy might be well meaning whites who didnt want to desegregate schools because it meant dangerous and unintelligent blacks would share the classroom with their lily white darlings.

Much like transphobe websites cataloging the misdeeds of trans people, racist websites frequently have "black crime" running features meant to reinforce racist belief.
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Do you believe that females have comprehensive and equal rights in US society, and face no discrimination from males?
 
Perspective on misogyny and homophobia in the trans activist movement,written by a gay man. Worth reading, not too long. But for the TL:DR crowd, here's the conclusion:

Woke misogyny and homophobia: a gay critique of trans ideology
It is not the fault of trans people in general that those who abuse systems exist, but this is the logical outcome of ill-thought-out legislation coupled with the push to gaslight the public with the notion that when one says they are a man or a woman, we must comply with their assertions despite our eyes, noses, and ears – and brains – telling us the complete opposite.

I urge more men to read up and speak up, gay men especially. Quit the ‘inclusive in the tweets, exclusive in the sheets’. Women, straight and gay, shouldn’t be forced to do this alone and it is their sex-based rights that are most at risk, by far. Use a pseudonym in some online spaces if you have to, but speak the truth with your close family and friends, at the very least.

Seek out women’s groups who centre female people in their activism and ask what you can do to help.
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Meadmaker said:
Even if the young woman is not aware that the person is a trans-woman when approaching the management, it might be that the management will provide her with that information at the time the young woman complains.
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In this case, I think it really matters whether the young complainant had a good reason to believe that the relevant policy has been contravened. For example, remember our friend Seani from way upthread? She identifies as a woman but looks like any other beardy rando from your local college folk music fest. In such a case, how could we possibly fault our hypothetical complainant for thinking she was in scenario #3 rather than #2?

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“Girl” Dick, the Cotton Ceiling and the Cultural War on Lesbians, Girls and Women
Written by a trassexual woman.

Conclusion:
Arielle has always talked about the inclusion of ‘trans women’ in her communities and sees the damage to her community the new, culturally legitimate form of sexual coercion is taking. In ‘Dear Trans Women, Stop Pushing “Girl Dick” On Lesbians’ she has observed “young lesbians are being told their sexual orientation is bigoted – it’s time trans activists stop pushing ‘girl dick’ on them. Genital ‘preferences’ is bad word usage.”


The victims of this new religion are, of course, women: lesbian culture has been decimated as lesbian bars rebadge themselves as ‘queer’ so that they are more ‘inclusive’, which in this context means ‘less likely to be attacked by transgender activists claiming discrimination’. Women-only groups, organizations and even festivals are compelled, by direct threats to funding, to accept ‘self-identification’ as the passport to these spaces, rather than a collection of shared physical characteristics and a life of experience of living with the resultant personal and intimate consequences.

This is the antithesis of freedom; this is a new form of fascism through economic coercion, which has cleverly been disguised as a civil rights movement. If the transgender rights movement may be described as a revolution, it is now time for counter-revolution: bring on the backlash.
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Emily's Cat said:
The longer I'm exposed to it, the less tragicomic it becomes, and the more insulted and dehumanized I feel.
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Yeah - and it was also 100% men who decided how transgender identity should be reclassified in DSM-5, huh?

And likewise, it was 100% men at the WHO who drew up that organisation's new stance on transgender identity, right?

And just the same, it was 100% men at the British Medical Association who were behind this union (which acts on behalf of every single doctor in the UK) issuing its statement on transgender identity and rights just yesterday, surely?

And on top of that, it was 100% men who were in charge of creating the political and legal frameworks around transgender identity in countries such as the UK and USA, no doubt?


So yes, I can see exactly how (cis) women can self-righteously be feeling "insulted and dehumanised", when it's (astonishingly!) exclusively men making all of these landmark decisions. Clearly something must be done immediately about the truly shocking gender make-up of all of these important and extremely significant groups. I might even send a letter of protest to the Daily Mail.
 
Interesting observation... the term "lesbian" has been being replaced with the term "queer women". It's forcibly inserting penises into lesbian sexual orientation - and yes, the pun was intended.
 
Emily's Cat said:
No, it's a real thing. And no, the people who insisted that lesbians are transphobes if they aren't interested in penis-in-vagina sex with males who identify as women were not attacked as bigots by anyone other than the lesbians who were being vilified for not liking wedding tackle.

http://www.gettheloutuk.com/
https://www.genderhq.org/trans-youth-identity-politics-rights-conflicts-lgbt-part3
https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/
Account written by a lesbian
https://www.gaycitynews.com/using-terf-randomly-other-signs-your-misogyny-is-showing/
Regarding lesbian erasure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_erasure#In_relation_to_transgender_women

I've brought this up a few times. It's just been ignored completely by the various trans activists in this thread.
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Because people don't really want to deal with thinking through all the logical implications of genderist ideology (if biological sex is replaced by gender identity, one can only have attraction by gender). We just hear about the things that make people sound progressive.
 
LondonJohn said:
Yeah - and it was also 100% men who decided how transgender identity should be reclassified in DSM-5, huh?

And likewise, it was 100% men at the WHO who drew up that organisation's new stance on transgender identity, right?

And just the same, it was 100% men at the British Medical Association who were behind this union (which acts on behalf of every single doctor in the UK) issuing its statement on transgender identity and rights just yesterday, surely?

And on top of that, it was 100% men who were in charge of creating the political and legal frameworks around transgender identity in countries such as the UK and USA, no doubt?


So yes, I can see exactly how (cis) women can self-righteously be feeling "insulted and dehumanised", when it's (astonishingly!) exclusively men making all of these landmark decisions. Clearly something must be done immediately about the truly shocking gender make-up of all of these important and extremely significant groups. I might even send a letter of protest to the Daily Mail.
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To be fair, all of the people who have repeatedly insulted me, called me a bigot, demeaned me, and dehumanized me in this thread have one thing in common. I think it's worth noting that commonality.

Given that you're oh-so-much smarter than everyone else, can you guess what the thing is?
 
Elaedith said:
Because people don't really want to deal with thinking through all the logical implications of genderist ideology (if biological sex is replaced by gender identity, one can only have attraction by gender). We just hear about the things that make people sound progressive.
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It's strange. It's so clearly an attack on females. How long do you think it will be before the transactivists join forces with the evangelicals and dictate what females are allowed to do with their own bodies?
 
LondonJohn said:
Haha glad that I and others are providing you with your idea of entertainment :thumbsup:

Did you read what the UK doctors' union has just announced regarding transgender rights, by the way? You might need to get a popcorn refill before settling down to the barrel of laughs it'll likely give you, on account of how tragically wrong its carefully-considered position is. Hilarious!! :D
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Funny, when you posted that gloat about Maya Forstater, I was going to comment that at least we won't have to listen to any more ridiculous appeals to institutional authority. Not after you admitted being aware that nobody is allowed to question gender ideology without risking their career (not to mention, personal reputation and safety).

Looks like I should have been quicker off the mark.

I have trouble working out if some of your posts are meant to be a parody. In these crazy times, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference.
 
Elaedith said:
Funny, when you posted that gloat about Maya Forstater, I was going to comment that at least we won't have to listen to any more ridiculous appeals to institutional authority. Not after you admitted being aware that nobody is allowed to question gender ideology without risking their career (not to mention, personal reputation and safety).

Looks like I should have been quicker off the mark.

I have trouble working out if some of your posts are meant to be a parody. In these crazy times, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference.
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More good stuff.

And I might wearily add that what I did is pretty far from an appeal to authority. I'm arguing this:

1) The body representing every doctor in the UK has announced its policy around transgender identity (which doesn't read all that well for those who are not particularly in favour of the recognition of transgender identity and the rights associated with that recognition).

And, as a direct consequence of (1), I'm suggesting that...

2) ...the fact that the body representing every UK doctor has announced its position in this way ought - in a rational and critical-thinking world - give an observer pause to think: "Why have those with easily the most expert and experienced combined insight into all areas of medicine (physical and mental) in the UK decided the way they have? Perhaps it's one factor which deserves to weigh in the debate on transgender identity, and to help inform my own views on the matter."
 
LondonJohn said:
More good stuff.

And I might wearily add that what I did is pretty far from an appeal to authority. I'm arguing this:

1) The body representing every doctor in the UK has announced its policy around transgender identity (which doesn't read all that well for those who are not particularly in favour of the recognition of transgender identity and the rights associated with that recognition).

And, as a direct consequence of (1), I'm suggesting that...

2) ...the fact that the body representing every UK doctor has announced its position in this way ought - in a rational and critical-thinking world - give an observer pause to think: "Why have those with easily the most expert and experienced combined insight into all areas of medicine (physical and mental) in the UK decided the way they have? Perhaps it's one factor which deserves to weigh in the debate on transgender identity, and to help inform my own views on the matter."
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Some of us already know why. Some of us have been researching and thinking critically about this for a long time.
 
Emily's Cat said:
To be fair, all of the people who have repeatedly insulted me, called me a bigot, demeaned me, and dehumanized me in this thread have one thing in common. I think it's worth noting that commonality.

Given that you're oh-so-much smarter than everyone else, can you guess what the thing is?
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Well I appreciate the fact that you consider me smarter than everyone else. But I'm really not (I enjoyed you personalising the argument with an insult acclamation aimed at me though - thanks! :D).

And I think you might perhaps be confusing correlation for causation with regard to your main point. As I understand it, for example, there are several male posters within this thread who are broadly in agreement with you on the OP.

Aside from that, as I said (in my post which you categorically ignored, even though you quoted it in your response...), if it was exclusively men who were making the real-world sea changes in the way transgender identity and transgender rights, you'd certainly have a valid point. But of course there is significant representation of people other than male people among all those real-world decision-makers. Can you guess what type of people those non-male people are?
 
LondonJohn said:
And I think you might perhaps be confusing correlation for causation with regard to your main point. As I understand it, for example, there are several male posters within this thread who are broadly in agreement with you on the OP.
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I am not mistaking correlation and causation. I'm making an observation of fact.

In this thread, some males have agreed with me and have NOT called me names or insulted me.

In this thread, only males have called me names or insulted me.

As an analogy... Some males can ejaculate sperm vs only males can ejaculate sperm. Some females can become pregnant vs only females can become pregnant.
 
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