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Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

Maybe he's just trying to run out the statute of limitations on the laws he broke?
 
acbytesla said:
You're wrong. Wyoming Senators vote in the Senate. They also tend to vote with the Republican party every time. They both voted to end the Affordable Care Act. They both voted to put Kavanaugh on the bench as well approve pretty much every single judge Trump nominates. They are part of a block of Senators from small states that allow McConnell not to consider almost every piece of legislation that passes the House.

10 of the most rural states equals about half the population of California. That's 20 US Senators to 2 and it is still only half the population. Our system is way out of whack.
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This.

Small, minority, special interest groups get disproportionately huge sway in the Senate. It would be far more fair and equitable to have states represented more proportionately in the Senate. Each state should get mandatory minimum of one seat, so that is 50 seats, with the other 50 seats distributed proportionally according to the states' census population. This way, States like Wyoming, Vermont and Alaska would have just the one seat, while California might have six, Texas five, Florida and New York four
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Maybe he's just trying to run out the statute of limitations on the laws he broke?
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Exactly. He has to be charged in five or seven years from the date of the crimes. To stay out of prison he needs another term. What's no one has ever tested is if a state indicts a sitting president, does that stop the clock and you wait until said president is out of office. That of course assumes courts uphold the Justice Department position that a sitting president can't be indicted.

If Trump wins, New York could proceed with an indictment and find out.
 
smartcooky said:
This.

Small, minority, special interest groups get disproportionately huge sway in the Senate. It would be far more fair and equitable to have states represented more proportionately in the Senate. Each state should get mandatory minimum of one seat, so that is 50 seats, with the other 50 seats distributed proportionally according to the states' census population. This way, States like Wyoming, Vermont and Alaska would have just the one seat, while California might have six, Texas five, Florida and New York four
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I want to simply eliminate the Senate. Why do we have to have a bicameral legislature? Maybe there is some justification I haven't thought about.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Maybe he's just trying to run out the statute of limitations on the laws he broke?
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Craig4 said:
Exactly. He has to be charged in five or seven years from the date of the crimes. To stay out of prison he needs another term. What's no one has ever tested is if a state indicts a sitting president, does that stop the clock and you wait until said president is out of office. That of course assumes courts uphold the Justice Department position that a sitting president can't be indicted.

If Trump wins, New York could proceed with an indictment and find out.
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The statute of limitations clock stops when the suspect is charged, right?

What if the New York DA gains a sealed indictment against Trump? That would stop the clock. Remember that the DoJ's OLC memo only applies to federal charges, not state ones.


There is also something else to consider

The Statue of Limitations can be tolled in certain circumstances, for example

1. When one of the parties is under a legal disability or lacks the legal capacity to initiate a legal action on their own behalf at the time the cause of action accrues. Could the DoJ's OLC memo be construed as placing the FBI under a legal disability to act, i.e. making then incapable of initiating legal action?

2. Where a cause of action has been fraudulently concealed, the statute of limitations is tolled until the action is, or could have been, discovered through the exercise of due diligence. Where Trump has used the office of his presidency to fraudulently hide evidence of his crimes (such as placing the incriminating evidence out of reach of investigators by placing it in secure servers) or having lied to investigators or hidden evidence from them, would those actions toll the statute?
 
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acbytesla said:
You're wrong. Wyoming Senators vote in the Senate. They also tend to vote with the Republican party every time. They both voted to end the Affordable Care Act. They both voted to put Kavanaugh on the bench as well approve pretty much every single judge Trump nominates. They are part of a block of Senators from small states that allow McConnell not to consider almost every piece of legislation that passes the House.

10 of the most rural states equals about half the population of California. That's 20 US Senators to 2 and it is still only half the population. Our system is way out of whack.
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With 2 senators per state, and the bizarre power of the majority leader, and the electoral college, and gerrymandering, and voter suppression efforts, and a constitution that's being rendered as a suicide pact ... this was a shaky democracy even before 2017 when we found out that checks and balances depend on the honor system.

And the topper, I have some information that may alarm members of the Van Winkle family, and also ostrich fanciers. This POTUS and his many enablers don't possess an iota of honor.
 
varwoche said:
With 2 senators per state, and the bizarre power of the majority leader, and the electoral college, and gerrymandering, and voter suppression efforts, and a constitution that's being rendered as a suicide pact ... this was a shaky democracy even before 2017 when we found out that checks and balances depend on the honor system.

And the topper, I have some information that may alarm members of the Van Winkle family, and also ostrich fanciers. This POTUS and his many enablers don't possess an iota of honor.
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And he wins or loses the rest of us are stuck listening to the whining hissy fits of either side, because he did win and stole the election or Biden and the Chinese forced him out and the fact remains, BOTH. SIDES. SUCK.
 
rockysmith76 said:
And he wins or loses the rest of us are stuck listening to the whining hissy fits of either side, because he did win and stole the election or Biden and the Chinese forced him out and the fact remains, BOTH. SIDES. SUCK.
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Luckily, we have your whiny hissy fits to serve as a refreshing distraction.
 
Belz... said:
The real threat that Trump and his presidency represent is indeed much more insidious than some of out more cinema-worthy scenarios. It's the rotting effect he and his ilk have on the democratic systems of the US and the world around it that is really frightening. It's going to have lasting impact.
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Trump has massively turded up the pool. His climbing out to towel himself off and lay in the sun will have no effect on the water, the gunked-up filters, and the people still dog paddling around.
 
rockysmith76 said:
And he wins or loses the rest of us are stuck listening to the whining hissy fits of either side, because he did win and stole the election or Biden and the Chinese forced him out and the fact remains, BOTH. SIDES. SUCK.
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Your never-ending stream of generic, middle ground posturing is (1) shallower than a puddle (2) is hugely off base in the context of 2020 and (3) cries for a Rocky's Generic Distractions thread in order to contain the tedious, widespread repetition.
 
varwoche said:
With 2 senators per state, and the bizarre power of the majority leader, and the electoral college, and gerrymandering, and voter suppression efforts, and a constitution that's being rendered as a suicide pact ... this was a shaky democracy even before 2017 when we found out that checks and balances depend on the honor system.

And the topper, I have some information that may alarm members of the Van Winkle family, and also ostrich fanciers. This POTUS and his many enablers don't possess an iota of honor.
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It's hard to disagree. The presidential system of government is considered to be one of America's worst exports. It has failed pretty much every where outside of the US. That it has lasted this long is amazing. It might have continued to succeed, but it has been going downhill since the number of paid lobbyists has exploded. Without major reforms I'm afraid It is doomed.
 
lomiller said:
Who’s going to stop him?
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Even if he issues an EO that says he is president forever, it's not within his authority to state. Yes, he could put out a piece of paper that says that. Hell, I could do it too.

What's stopping me from issuing an executive order declaring me as president?

Again, who enforces that?
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Everyone, really. Once Roberts swears in Biden, Biden is president. He could then issue an EO, as he is the Executive, reversing Trumps EO. The courts and Congress get to figure it out and then those who work in the executive branch, who now all answer to Biden, get to enforce.

Whether people obey the law or obey their boss is never a sure thing. Ensuring people make the right choice (obey the law) requires a specific organizational culture and that has been under attack for years now.

Again, if Trump singes an EA declaring the election invalid and that he is still president, does Chad Wolf back Trump or does he have his people escort Trump out and back Biden? If he does the former, what does it matter what the law says?
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If Biden is sworn in, then Biden is the president no matter where he sits. If various cabinet members go rouge then Biden could just remove them, and appoint an actor until a perm member could be installed.

Keep in mind that most of the people who do the marching aren't political figures. As I've pointed out, it's not the Secret Service that would be escorting someone out of the building, it would be the Marines. And I seriously doubt General Berger would allow such a stain on the Marines to not respect the chain of command, and the Constitution in general. Most of the Secret Service protection detail will also have military background.

Sure he could sign an EO, but it's meaningless. And again, if he signs it and Roberts swears in a new Executive, he or she can issue a new one that invalidates it. If it's done before swearing in date, run it up to the Supreme court and they will invalidate it since it's not within the scope of the Presidential powers.
 
sackett said:
And I'm arguing that Wyo's congresscritters, including senators, are elected by such a thin scattering of voters that they can never exert any influence on national affairs. They represent some monied interests in the fossil energy game, they know that, and the republicanoid machine knows it. Their 3 little votes are counted and disregarded. Good, say I; to the extent that they have any ideas, they're primitive rightists, just like their constituents, and the less heard from them the better.

I hope you won't challenge me to name a Wyoming politician who doesn't, or didn't at any time in the past, fit the above description. Honestly, I would if I could.
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Oh, look, someone tries to imagine what liberals think about something. Nice reverse concerntrolling, though.
 
acbytesla said:
The only way Trump gets 48 percent of the popular vote is by hacking
the election or suppressing the vote. In the last 4 years, his approval
rate has been over 50% and has 90 percent of the time has been in
the thirties.
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Well, technically you’re correct, but, I cannot use approval rating.
A voter will say they think the president does a terrible job, but then
turn around and vote for him. Brand loyalty can last a lifetime, even
though the product became terrible long ago.

Back in November I decided based upon the facts on the ground that
Trump would likely win the Republican nomination and, well, obviously
Biden would win the Democratic nomination. And in the 2020 election,
Biden had a fair chance of winning with around three million more votes
than Trump.

I also expected a moderate rise in the number of voters to around
143 million. And growth in votes for third parties and independent
candidates. I thought this year Libertarian Party will break through
get better than five percent of the vote and become a minor player
in US politics. As the year went by I saw more and more yellow
snake plates with words “Tread On Others” and thought, well,
it’s happening.

Friday, I read an article about how other groups, notably the Tea
Party uses a similar sign and I panicked saying, “Oh dear! I’m wrong.”

In a severe scenario the number of voters rises to 155 million
with the votes for third party and independent candidates drying
up, maybe not even three percent voting outside the main parties.
But worse, Trump comes within a million votes of Biden, and I don’t
see how Trump can loose under such a scenario even if the Republicans
don’t cheat.

P. S. I think of third parties as the canaries in the coal mine.
 
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