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Trump is not going to accept election results Rough and ugly transition ahead.

acbytesla

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I'm afraid it's going to get uglier and uglier.

I'm now more convinced than ever before that Trump is not going to accept the election results if he loses. He will not go gently into that good night. He will be contesting the election results in almost every state relying on his judge to bail him out. If they do, democracy is dead.
 
I think this will depend largely on how closely run the election is. A more narrowly decided race more readily invites a bad-faith challenge of legitimacy.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm afraid it's going to get uglier and uglier.

I'm now more convinced than ever before that Trump is not going to accept the election results if he loses. He will not go gently into that good night. He will be contesting the election results in almost every state relying on his judge to bail him out. If they do, democracy is dead.
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Were that to happen, they will almost certainly claim some kind of justification - like that the election was unfair in some way. Are the Democrats not going to do the same and use every means at their disposal like they did last time?
 
Trump is certain to send up trial balloons about it, it is hard to predict how much support for this he will get from those in power. Given how much things like his wall just get ignored by congress and the republican party at large, I am cautiously optimistic that he will flounder around and make an ass of himself as usual but not result in people taking it up seriously.
 
shuttlt said:
Were that to happen, they [Trump] will almost certainly claim some kind of justification - like that the election was unfair in some way. Are the Democrats not going to do the same and use every means at their disposal like they did last time?
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Ftfy.

Trump does this because his pathologic narcissism requires he protect his ego.

As for the Democrats, are you seriously claiming the Russians didn't interfere with the election to help Trump? The Democrats and/or Obama made it up?

It's pretty hard to ignore the overwhelming evidence.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm now more convinced than ever before that Trump is not going to accept the election results if he loses.
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I've been betting heavily on that for the past two years, so I hope you're right.

I don't think your courts are corrupt enough to let him, though. Guys like Kavanaugh would, but I think more are like Gorsuch, who would not act as Trump wishes, but rather as the law demands.
 
He's already said that the only way he can lose is if the other side cheats. That kind of statement should be disqualifying.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm afraid it's going to get uglier and uglier.

I'm now more convinced than ever before that Trump is not going to accept the election results if he loses. He will not go gently into that good night. He will be contesting the election results in almost every state relying on his judge to bail him out. If they do, democracy is dead.
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I believe that current social issues will motivate many people to vote for this ******* as a vote against chaos.

In the event he loses, he will be the mother of all sore losers, but I don't see him being able to hold on to his seat unless there is rock solid evidence of massive voter fraud.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Ftfy.

Trump does this because his pathologic narcissism requires he protect his ego. As for the Democrats, are you seriously claiming the Russians didn't interfere with the election to help Trump? The Democrats and/or Obama made it up?

It's pretty hard to ignore the overwhelming evidence.
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You can practically guarantee Trump will come up with some justification should he not win the election. This may be just to allow him to claim he's not a loser, or it may be the grounds for trying to make a real grab at power.

I can't see any scenario where Trump gracefully concedes a loss.
 
Cain said:
He's already said that the only way he can lose is if the other side cheats. That kind of statement should be disqualifying.
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It was that statement that convinced me entirely. Trump is doing everything in his power to create doubt in the outcome. He hears the news as does everyone else. He is hoping that the GOP as a block will stand with him in contesting the elections. He's not only questioned mailed ballots, but secure ballot boxes. He is suing NJ now over the EO the governor issued months ago to send ballots to all registered voters.

Trump is deliberately trying to cause chaos. I see him implementing martial law if he can find some way to justify it.
 
acbytesla said:
It was that statement that convinced me entirely. Trump is doing everything in his power to create doubt in the outcome.
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In a way it's surprising that this sort of rhetoric isn't used more often; a testament to how civil the US system has been, despite everything, over the decades.
 
acbytesla said:
WTF!!!!?? TOTAL NONSENSE!!!

The Democrats didn't contest the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...clinton-concedes-election-donald-trump-speech
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OK. So it's specifically whether or not he will make a concession speech you are concerned about rather than whether he/the Republican's accept the result? I thought you were worried about some sort of a coup, or violence, or some corrupt way of on-doing a fair result. The distinction between the different ways one undoes an election result one doesn't like doesn't seem very important to me.
 
shuttlt said:
Were that to happen, they will almost certainly claim some kind of justification - like that the election was unfair in some way. Are the Democrats not going to do the same and use every means at their disposal like they did last time?
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Exactly how did the Democrats contest the election results?
 
Would it be possible for some skulduggery by, say, the Russians to make it look like the Dems have been cheating via some kind of electronic ballot hacking? If it looks all but certain Trump will lose, why not pad the Dem vote with obvious enough fraud so that the Repugs can 'legitimately' cry foul?

I can imagine all kinds of rat-******* being worked out as we speak.
 
shuttlt said:
OK. So it's specifically whether or not he will make a concession speech you are concerned about rather than whether he/the Republican's accept the result? I thought you were worried about some sort of a coup, or violence, or some corrupt way of on-doing a fair result. The distinction between the different ways one undoes an election result one doesn't like doesn't seem very important to me.
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No, you got it. Trump is not only not going make a concession speech he is going to claim fraud over and over in a attempt to make the results illegitimate. He is planning to stage a coup de etat if he needs to..
 
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