Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 24

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Captain_Swoop said:
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If Obama did this, they would speak of nothing else. Biden could NEVER do it!
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Steve Guest
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MSNBC, CNN mostly ignore Trump's major Israel-UAE peace deal during prime time
"No mention of the major Middle East peace deal on MSNBC's "All In with Chris Hayes," ..., "The Rachel Maddow Show" and "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell."
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That's odd. I didn't know the UAE and Israel were at war or had ever engaged in armed conflict. :rolleyes: It's not a 'peace' deal; it's the establishment of a full diplomtic relationship. The two countries have been unofficially working toward normalizing their relationship for years behind the scenes. What Trump really wants is a Nobel Peace Prize like Obama.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump just said

"If I win, which I hope to win. How can you not when you see numbers like this both on the virus and the economy? We should win, we should all be keep this incredible thing going"
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If you completely ignore the economic collapse that preceeded it, and the fact that the US is just recovering a small amount of the ground lost as a result then the number of jobs added and GDP growth is superficially impressive.

I guess he is hoping people only remember the four months before the election, not the four years before that.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Will he be OK letting the whole country do absentee ballots? If so, then do that!
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I guess it's a repeat of the Obamacare bad, ACA good doublethink.:mad:

Absentee ballots for serving military personnel, absent politicians and honest (white) people who cannot make it to the polls to vote Republican are good.

Postal voting for all is bad because it will inevitably result in mass voter fraud...:rolleyes:
 
Bob001 said:
The thing is that he doesn't recognize it as corruption.
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I think it might be more true to say that he doesn't view corruption as bad or to be avoided. Remember his upbringing - he pretty much grew up surrounded by career criminals and has lived much in line with lessons that he likely learned from them.


Bob001 said:
And everybody knows how to fix the Postal Service,
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Moreso now, yes, now that its getting more coverage, but... back when Trump was attacking Amazon and claiming that the USPS was losing money on their deals with Amazon, though, it was very apparent that a lot of right-wingers that I ended up discussing that with actually believed that claim and had no idea what was actually hurting the USPS. It's actually highly likely that there's still a lot of right-wingers who buy that, though.
 
Aridas said:
I think it might be more true to say that he doesn't view corruption as bad or to be avoided. Remember his upbringing - he pretty much grew up surrounded by career criminals and has lived much in line with lessons that he likely learned from them.

Moreso now, yes, now that its getting more coverage, but... back when Trump was attacking Amazon and claiming that the USPS was losing money on their deals with Amazon, though, it was very apparent that a lot of right-wingers that I ended up discussing that with actually believed that claim and had no idea what was actually hurting the USPS. It's actually highly likely that there's still a lot of right-wingers who buy that, though.
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The highlighted part. Not only did he grow up learning that the ends justified the means from his father, but from Roy Cohn. Despite all his blustering about being the "law and order president", Trump sees anyone who plays by the rules as weak. The strong and intelligent learn how to bypass them.
 
As Tucker Carlson recently said about the Republican Party:
“Instead of improving the lives of their voters, the party feeds them a steady diet of mindless, symbolic victories — partisan junk food designed to make them feel full even as they waste away.” Carlson apologized, to “the extent this show has participated in it.” Politico link
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Carlson could be describing donald trump but, for some reason, he excludes trump. I thought of this after reading an article about farmers, specifically, small independent dairy farmers in Wisconsin. The trump administration is killing them. The trump administration has told them this.
Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue visited a dairy expo in Wisconsin, where farmers are hurting badly. When asked about the future of the dairy business, Perdue said, “In America the big get bigger and the small go out. I don’t think in America we, for any small business, we have a guaranteed income or guaranteed profitability.” Minnapolis Start Tribune editorial
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Some of the dairy farmers interviewed said, Perdue told them "to our faces" that the administration has no concern for them. Yet some of the farmers continue to support trump fervently.

Look at trump's 2017 tax bill. It slashed the corporate tax rate by almost 40 percent while individual tax payers got a 14% cut.
Companies were effectively let off the hook for tens if not hundreds of billions of taxes that they would have been required to pay. “Treasury is gutting the new law,” said Bret Wells, a tax law professor at the University of Houston. “It is largely the top 1 percent that will disproportionately benefit — the wealthiest people in the world.” It is the latest example of the benefits of the Republican tax package flowing disproportionately to the richest of the rich. New York Times article
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What if trump had cut individual tax rates by 40% and corporate taxes by 14%? Except he would never do that. To paraphrase Tucker Carlson, instead of improving the lives of his voters, trump feeds them a steady diet of mindless, symbolic victories — partisan junk food designed to make them feel full even as they waste away. In three short years the federal deficit has almost doubled from $660 billion to over $1 trillion. With really nothing to show for it except much wealthier corporations. A ticking time bomb that one day will explode. When it happens, guess who'll get hurt the most?

Meanwhile, his supporters -- like Tucker Carlson -- continue to praise trump. They refuse to acknowledge reality and, by doing that -- like Herman Cain -- they are destroying themselves. The problem is, they're taking the rest of us with them. :(
 
Aridas said:
I think it might be more true to say that he doesn't view corruption as bad or to be avoided. Remember his upbringing - he pretty much grew up surrounded by career criminals and has lived much in line with lessons that he likely learned from them.
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As evidenced by his *****-ing over his relatives.
Everyone is the enemy - even his siblings.
 
newyorkguy said:
Yet some of the farmers continue to support trump fervently.
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Yes, Republican party got art of voting against their best interests perfectly. How do you think party of 1% richest has 40% support?

Best democracy money can buy, indeed.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This was my thought when those letters went out saying the votes might not get there in time to be counted.

WTF, the states can count any votes they want to. Since when is it up to Trumpy and NoJoy to dictate what deadlines the states have to stick to. They can certainly say postmarked by election day. But if the USPS doesn't postmark the ballots, the states can say that's fine and assume they were mailed on time.
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The trouble is, some states have requirements that the ballot has to be in the hands of the election office no later than election day.

What we need - presumably the Dems have done this - is to chart out the different dangers to the election (ballot deadlines threatened by the USPS; state legislatures who could select delegates for Trump without regard to the vote; voter suppression efforts (fewer polling stations, etc.) - compared against the electoral college, and then make the effort to win the EC in the environment.

ETA: 538 has a good resource for voting state by state, https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/
 
newyorkguy said:
...Look at trump's 2017 tax bill. It slashed the corporate tax rate by almost 40 percent while individual tax payers got a 14% cut. What if trump had cut individual tax rates by 40% and corporate taxes by 14%? Except he would never do that...In three short years the federal deficit has almost doubled from $660 billion to over $1 trillion. With really nothing to show for it except much wealthier corporations...
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I'm quoting a post from another thread because I think it fits well here.
Lurch said:
Parts of the US really are a dystopian, third world hellhole. And I'm getting this increasingly uneasy feeling that the whole sordid joint going down the tubes is approaching a 50/50 proposition. The protesting at this point has got to transition beyond Black Lives Matter, to The Rule of Law Matters. And in massive numbers. Or in a general strike.
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I agree. I'm even ready to go out and march. Our democracy is under attack in ways I never dreamed possible.
 
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Kayleigh McEnany
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From President @realDonaldTrump on the passing of his brother and best friend, Robert - “We will meet again”:
 
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