Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 24

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Segnosaur said:
At the risk of being overly optimistic...

The nut bags (tea partiers, evangelicals, Qanon) are allowed into the mainstream because Republican dirty tactics (voter suppression, foreign interference, etc) have allowed them to maintain power.

As voter demographics shift (e.g. minorities making up a higher portion of the population, more acceptance of LGBTQ rights, etc) those dirty tactics will no longer be enough to cling to power. The republican party will be forced to marginalize the nutcases and appeal to a wider voter base if they ever hope to regain power.

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I guess I'm being too pessimistic :o

I think that the Republican Party has lost the middle ground of American politics (even accounting for the Overton Window). There are still some "moderate conservatives" who habitually vote GOP even though the party no longer aligns with their values but these will become fewer in number over time.

To remain in power at a national level (there are states where they will continue to hold power indefinitely), they will have to increasingly appeal to fringes, many of whom don't currently vote. As I said upthread they started the process with the Evangelicals, then the Tea Party and now the Trumpists. QAnon is the next example of low hanging fruit and eventually they'll need to appeal directly to white supremacists.

I can see this having the chance to work for the next 10-20 years. If Biden wins this election but the economy struggles to recover from Covid, I could see the GOP being in a very strong position to win in 2024. Even if a one or two term Biden Presidency is successful, if his successor is deemed to be anointed then enough Democrats could stay at home in 2024 or 2028 for the GOP candidate to have a fighting chance.

IMO it's a similar story in congress. An enthusiastic 40% can get you a long way if the 60% aren't well motivated or are divided.

I see no reason for the GOP to even consider fundamentally changing track and try to appeal to anyone other than their current and new core for 20+ years which means that it's unlikely to actually happen in the 30-40 years I'm likely to be around.
 
Armitage72 said:
I think it was mainly just referenced here. Tucker Carlson said that it was "probably illegal" to select a VP based on race and sex.
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Oh well, if Tucker Carlson said so. :)

Nice to see that Tucker may be reading the 14th / 15th Amendment, etc.
 
Trump's rating is inexplicably climbing again, it's all the way up to 41.9% now according to 538. I know it probably means absolutely nothing that his ratings go up or down by a single percentage point, and so I probably shouldn't obsess over his ratings as much as I do, but what can one do.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Trump's rating is inexplicably climbing again, it's all the way up to 41.9% now according to 538. I know it probably means absolutely nothing that his ratings go up or down by a single percentage point, and so I probably shouldn't obsess over his ratings as much as I do, but what can one do.
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The hard thing is to focus on the long term trend. I check 538 everyday, but it’s a bit like weighing yourself everyday when you’re dieting and screaming when it’s a pound higher. Natural random fluctuations.

The unbelievable thing is that his numbers hover around 41% and not 8%.
 
I was recently thinking about “A Few Good Men”
Specifically Col. Jessup’s monologue:

“ We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. “

Is there anyone in America who has less understanding of honor, code, loyalty than Pres. Trump.
 
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Paul2 said:
The hard thing is to focus on the long term trend. I check 538 everyday, but it’s a bit like weighing yourself everyday when you’re dieting and screaming when it’s a pound higher. Natural random fluctuations.
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Yeah, that's exactly how I feel :p .

The unbelievable thing is that his numbers hover around 41% and not 8%.
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For sure.
 
Ladewig said:
I was recently thinking about “A Few Good Men”
Specifically Col. Jessup’s monologue:

“ We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. “

Is there anyone in America who has less understanding of honor, code, loyalty than Pres. Trump.
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I'm sure he understands those words as much as Jessup did, as in using them to justify torturing and murdering those individuals entrusted to his care.
 
SezMe said:
So, Donny, why did you hire him? Hiring the dumbest person around kinda makes you dumber than he is.
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He hires the dumbest person around because he thinks it’ll make him look smarter by comparison. Then after a few months he fires them because he realises he still looks dumber.
 
SezMe said:
So, Donny, why did you hire him? Hiring the dumbest person around kinda makes you dumber than he is.

You guys stealing my good lines really puts a crimp in my shorts. :)
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:political cartoon of Trump hiring a guy who comes in through a door, and stabbing him in the back as he goes back out another door:
 
Armitage72 said:
I think it was mainly just referenced here. Tucker Carlson said that it was "probably illegal" to select a VP based on race and sex.
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Carlson, sucking up to Dear Leader, is also mispronouncing Kamala. When he was corrected, he tried to excuse it away be saying it was 'unintentional' which is a bald faced lie.

Richard Goodstein, a Democratic strategist and former adviser to Hillary Clinton, appeared on Carlson’s show and offered up advice for the Fox News host and his colleagues.

“Her name is pronounced ‘Comma’ — like the punctuation mark — ‘la,’” Goodstein said. “Seriously, I’ve heard every sort of bastardization of that. That’s how it is. ‘Comma-la.’”


“OK,” Carlson said with a knitted brow. “So what?”

“I think out of respect for somebody who’s going to be on the national ticket,” Goldstein responded. “Pronouncing her name right is actually kind of a bare minimum.”

“So I’m disrespecting her by mispronouncing her name unintentionally? So it begins,” Carlson said with a grin before mispronouncing the senator’s first name two more times. “You’re not allowed to criticize ‘Ka-MAL-a’ or ‘KAM-a-la’ or whatever it is—"

“No, no, no. It’s not ‘whatever,’” Goodstein fired back.

“Look, I unintentionally mispronounced her name,” Carlson said, before claiming that Harris is not “immune from criticism.”

“On this show,” he added, “nobody in power is immune from criticism. Our political leaders must be held to account — that’s our job.”
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Notice how he tried to twist being corrected about her name to an accusation that Harris couldn't be criticized. Scumbag.
 
I saw the clip from **** er. It's all you can expect from his kind. Just what you'd expect from a Trump supporter, willful ignorance and stupidity.
 
Craig4 said:
I saw the clip from **** er. It's all you can expect from his kind. Just what you'd expect from a Trump supporter, willful ignorance and stupidity.
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Mispronouncing Kamala isn't willful ignorance. It deliberate disrespect. He's doing it because Trump is doing it.
 
It's her fault for having one of them weird black names instead of an easy to pronounce white name like "Karen" or "Gertrude."
 
Stacyhs said:
Carlson, sucking up to Dear Leader, is also mispronouncing Kamala. When he was corrected, he tried to excuse it away be saying it was 'unintentional' which is a bald faced lie.







Notice how he tried to twist being corrected about her name to an accusation that Harris couldn't be criticized. Scumbag.
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DARVO.
 
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