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Who will Biden choose as running mate?

Who will Biden choose as running mate?


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Careful there, next you will be calling her "clean cut" for the racism trifecta.

Biden called Obama "clean", not "clean cut".

What he meant was that he had a clean record. No huge negatives, but that didn't stop people from distorting it into some sort of racist remark.

Such is politics, though.
 
Well, the Breaking News of the day is that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate.

The news of the next four days (and nothing else) is going to be that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate. And every possible permutation that entails.

Let the mudslinging begin.....but save your very best ammo for October.
 
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ETA: My bad, I saw the headline and opening sentences of the WAPO piece and thought it was reporting. Actually it's a lame attempt at humor.


The writer is the Post's humor columnist. After listing the sterling qualities of Aaron Burr, John C. Calhoun, Andrew Jackson, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and other male politicians, she laments:
The more you think about the people who have occupied this office before, the more frustrating it becomes that literally no woman in contention partakes of any of their team-player, self-effacing, non-threatening, apologetic qualities. I don’t know what Team Biden is going to do.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-with-every-woman-before-promising-female-vp/
 
I doubt it's illegal. I think it is an interesting case of affirmative action and hiring quotas in action. Tucker Carlson is an ass. But Biden is giving us some insight into what he thinks the real issues are, and what he thinks a good solution is.

I don't give a flying about Carlson's questions. My questions are:

If he picks a black woman for VP, is it because of her race and gender?

Does that mean her race and gender are what make her the best person for the job?
If so, then what exactly is the job? What exactly is the VP's job, anyway? How much do the two jobs actually overlap?

And what if he doesn't end up picking a black woman? Then what? Why did he say he would earlier? What problem was he trying to solve earlier? Why does he think it no longer needs to be solved?

Hypothesis: What he said earlier was a gambit to win votes for his nomination as the party's candidate. Now that his nomination is effectively guaranteed, he's free from that commitment and can consider other factors when trying to win the general election.

In the past, a veep pick might be selected because they are from a certain electorally important swing state that the candidate hopes to carry. Does that mean that being from a particular state is what made that white man the best person for the job? Was is always a pure meritocratic choice, or did political considerations play a role?

Yes, I imagine race and gender were both among the factors that weighed in the decision, but not the only factors. But it has always been about which choice can best help me win this election, not which choice has the best qualifications for the job.
 
CT nuts are flinging the crazy around already. Stupid false things I've seen promoted on social media just this afternoon, without making much effort:

Harris's parent were not citizens at the time of her birth (true) so she can't be President (false). If she can't be president, she can't be Vice-President (moot, since she can be president). (Jacob Wohl is pushing this one, Snopes has a good write-up debunking him).

Harris is not eligible to be President nor Vice President because she was born with dual citizenship and therefore does not qualify as "Natural Born" (false, she is still eligible, she lived most of her life in America after being born here).

Her father claims to be descended from a major slave owner (true, he did claim this). I think they are suggesting that this reflects badly upon her, or suggests that she can't actually be black? (Snopes has a good write up on this one). Apparently is is bad for her to have this ancestry even if it is not bad for many white Americans to also be descended from slave owners. Or maybe it is hypocritical of her, even if she has nothing good to ever say about that ancestor of hers (Which isn't fully proven, the record is a bit muddled).

Claims that she can't be black because her father was Jamaican, not Black (as if nobody in Jamaica has African ancestry, or is descended from slaves). The racial makeup of people in Jamaica seems to be a confusing issue for some people. (If she's not black, then neither is Colin Powell, who also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry).

Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word. :rolleyes: (Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.)

Mass confusion as to whether Harris can or should identify as more than one race. Mixed-race ancestry as it relates to personal identification seems to be very, very confusing to some people. She has Asian ancestry and she also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry and she can claim whatever combination of that she feels is appropriate. This is not complicated.


I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.
 
Funny how this ended up playing out.

A little.

It was getting close. I tend to think that waiting helps because it gives the GOP less time to target the VP. But I also believe you can overthink these things. If Trump proved anything it's that all the minutiae that people think matters, don't really. It is one thing I give him credit for.
 
CT nuts are flinging the crazy around already. Stupid false things I've seen promoted on social media just this afternoon, without making much effort:

Harris's parent were not citizens at the time of her birth (true) so she can't be President (false). If she can't be president, she can't be Vice-President (moot, since she can be president). (Jacob Wohl is pushing this one, Snopes has a good write-up debunking him).

Harris is not eligible to be President nor Vice President because she was born with dual citizenship and therefore does not qualify as "Natural Born" (false, she is still eligible, she lived most of her life in America after being born here).

Her father claims to be descended from a major slave owner (true, he did claim this). I think they are suggesting that this reflects badly upon her, or suggests that she can't actually be black? (Snopes has a good write up on this one). Apparently is is bad for her to have this ancestry even if it is not bad for many white Americans to also be descended from slave owners. Or maybe it is hypocritical of her, even if she has nothing good to ever say about that ancestor of hers (Which isn't fully proven, the record is a bit muddled).

Claims that she can't be black because her father was Jamaican, not Black (as if nobody in Jamaica has African ancestry, or is descended from slaves). The racial makeup of people in Jamaica seems to be a confusing issue for some people. (If she's not black, then neither is Colin Powell, who also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry).

Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word. :rolleyes: (Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.)

Mass confusion as to whether Harris can or should identify as more than one race. Mixed-race ancestry as it relates to personal identification seems to be very, very confusing to some people. She has Asian ancestry and she also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry and she can claim whatever combination of that she feels is appropriate. This is not complicated.


I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.

Reading stuff like this, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry.

So, what ancestry do they think Jamaicans are?
 
TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY!


MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK!


i'm sort of excited....
 
Says the guy who told all and sundry not to vote for Elizabeth Warren but ended up voting for her in the primary.

**SHRUGS** Eh, you wanted mud.

Did I vote for Elizabeth Warren? i don't remember. (Honestly. That was one pandemic ago. It seems like a distant era.) I think I must have. Either her or Amy Klobuchar....or maybe Amy dropped out just before the primary. I know I didn't vote for Bernie. I remember that much.

To be honest, I know very little about Kamala Harris. Generally liberal. Black. (I learned in acbytesla's post about the Indian connection) Senator from California. My first exposure to her was in the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, and I wasn't impressed.

I saw today Trump brought that up about her. That makes me nervous, but I don't know how much the voters will care. Of course, the Democratic base won't care, and the Republican base will make it out as the most awful thing ever, but how does that small minority of swing voters think of her? Or what will they think of her when the mud starts to fly? Beats me. I'm voting for her because she is the running mate of the guy who isn't Trump.
 
Fox News headline on YouTube:
Tucker: There are timeshare sellers more trustworthy than Kamala Harris

They're not wasting any time.
 
Here is the contents of a tweet from the Trump campaign

"Not long ago, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist and asked for an apology she never received. Clearly, Phony Kamala will abandon her own morals, as well as try to bury her record as a prosecutor, in order to appease the anti-police extremists controlling the Democrat Party. In her failed attempt at running for president, Kamala Harris gleefully embraced the left’s radical manifesto, calling for trillions of dollars in new taxes and backing Bernie Sanders’ government takeover of healthcare. She is proof that Joe Biden is an empty shell being filled with the extreme agenda of the radicals on the left.

“Joe Biden is no moderate, and with Harris as his ‘political living will,’ he is surrendering control of our nation to the radical mob with promises to raise taxes, cut police funding, kill energy jobs, open our borders, and appease socialist dictators. At the ballot box, Americans will resoundingly reject the abysmal failures of Biden-Harris in favor of the America First strength of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence."

These people are truly awful. Name calling. "Political living will". It's embarrassing.

I just hope it doesn't work.
 
Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word. :rolleyes: (Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.)

Wow. Now that's just stupid. I can't even
 
TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY!


MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK!


i'm sort of excited....
Same here. I like Kamala. When she was pressing Barr about ever being asked to investigate a political rival, I thought she came across as smart and someone who doesn't suffer fools.
 
I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.

Yeah yeah...we saw all that coming. I'm sure the media hasn't learned it's lesson from giggling about Dolt 45's white supremacist "Show Me Your Teeth" birther crap, so they'll push it at some point. And we've already figured out that the whole "Kamala's not one of us" ADOS crap was started by a Cheeto Benito fan, and most media outlets won't touch that one.

Very good choice. Young, mixed Jamaican and Indian, devoted family (remember when that pseudo-hippie grabbed the mike from her and started talking about...something? You can literally see her husband rush the stage in the audience below), a goos record as prosecutor (apart from possibly bankers - most of what's said about her focusing on weed or jailing parents for minor delinquency crimes are nonsense), a brutal debater (she was a prosecutor after all - she clowned the likes of Barr and Kavanaugh), solid chops on many key issues. Are there others I'd have also liked? Absolutely. Will it satisfy the Bernie Bros? Who cares, they always marginalize themselves anyway.

But I'm enjoying my twitter feed, especially, of course, Not Captain America.
 

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