Hermain Cain dies after month long battle with COVID-19

[rdwight]

There does seem to be more celebration in regards to death by stupidity vs death by criminal activity. Unless of course the criminal activity is really stupid itself. Not sure why that is but it's not a new trend by any means.

 

[lomiller]

An overly-litigious family member should do contact tracing, figure out how he got it, and then maybe sue the whole chain of command that pulled the social distancing stickers off of the seats in the arena.

ETA - those stickers were part of the "current guidance."

IIRC attendees had to sign a waver that would prevent them from suing Trump or his campaign if they got sick.

 

[TragicMonkey]

There does seem to be more celebration in regards to death by stupidity vs death by criminal activity. Unless of course the criminal activity is really stupid itself. Not sure why that is but it's not a new trend by any means.

We should celebrate every death equally. That's the mature, civilized approach.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Or he could have been the super spreader at that event, couldn't he?

That makes the incubation period even longer.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Agreed. I hope Cain's last waking moments were filled with fear. Same for any other of these ghouls that have spread misinformation about Covid.

Fear was not necessary. It's very sad he died alone.

 

[dann]

That makes the incubation period even longer.

Yes, but we know that this virus sometimes works in mysterious ways! (I think it's more likely that he got infected at the rally or soon after.)

 

[Minoosh]

I don't bear Herman Cain any ill will due to the fact that he was wrong about so many things. What got me is his 2011 statement that he didn't know who the president of "Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan" was. It's the way he deliberately mangled the name. I didn't expect him to have the CIA World Factbook memorized but this was an unforced error.

I wonder if he had time to reflect on his Covid-19 statements while on his deathbed.

ETA: I will never understand why some people seem proud of their ignorance.

 

[varwoche]

I don't bear Herman Cain any ill will due to the fact that he was wrong about so many things. What got me is his 2011 statement that he didn't know who the president of "Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan" was. It's the way he deliberately mangled the name. I didn't expect him to have the CIA World Factbook memorized but this was an unforced error.

I wonder if he had time to reflect on his Covid-19 statements while on his deathbed.

ETA: I will never understand why some people seem proud of their ignorance.

This is one of the main reasons I loathe these people. They unabashedly disdain knowledge and embrace ignorance. Cain reveled in it. He was a proto Trump.

 

[Minoosh]

This is one of the main reasons I loathe these people. They unabashedly disdain knowledge and embrace ignorance. Cain reveled in it. He was a proto Trump.

Sometimes I envy people who are so unconcerned about being flat-out wrong whenever they open their mouths.

Not usually though.

ETA: He may actually have rehearsed that answer, because the question was about how he was going to field "gotcha" questions - a question he presumably prepared for.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

That's what annoys me too. Not knowing something is fine, noone knows everything afterall. It's when you're proud of not knowing, or even worse, when someone informs you of something you claim they're lying.

 

[Beerina]

Somehow "kids rarely suffer badly" morphed into "kids don't get it." I don't know what planet of fraud or ignorance that came from.

 

[Babbylonian]

Somehow "kids rarely suffer badly" morphed into "kids don't get it." I don't know what planet of fraud or ignorance that came from.

I assumed it was "kids rarely suffer badly so let them get it, who cares, herd immunity" combined with a complete misunderstanding of how communicable diseases work.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

I assumed it was "kids rarely suffer badly so let them get it, who cares, herd immunity" combined with a complete misunderstanding of how communicable diseases work.

Especially now that we know that kids with COVID emit virus at 5-100x the concentration of adults.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/coronavirus-children.html

 

[Dr. Keith]

I assumed it was "kids rarely suffer badly so let them get it, who cares, herd immunity" combined with a complete misunderstanding of how communicable diseases work.

So long as the kids don't have parents or teachers, what is the problem?

 

[Trebuchet]

I’m not sure if failure to use a mask should qualify for a Darwin Award. The mask isn’t intended to protect the wearer, so someone refusing to wear on then dyeing from COVID-19 is more of a “got what they deserved” thing than a “done in by their own stupidity” thing.

It most certainly is. Wearing a mask does not, in any way, protect you from contracting the virus. While I will accept that wearing a mask would have made it more socially acceptable for whoever spread it to wear his or her mask, he could have still caught it following all of the current guidance.

If he only had a meal with his beer, that might have made a difference (CA). Or not drinking after 11 PM, that might have helped (OH).

Depends on the mask. An N-95 with an exhaust valve definitely WILL help protect the wearer, although the protection it affords to others is lessened by the valve. An N-95 without a valve protects both. I'm considering going back to an N-95 (with valve) when I go to the store to help protect my extremely vulnerable wife. If I get ambitious I can probably even disable the valve.

In Cain's case, he was surrounded by 6000 other maskless idiots. His poor decision wasn't so much not wearing a mask, but attending at all.

 

[ChristianProgressive]

Depends on the mask. An N-95 with an exhaust valve definitely WILL help protect the wearer, although the protection it affords to others is lessened by the valve. An N-95 without a valve protects both. I'm considering going back to an N-95 (with valve) when I go to the store to help protect my extremely vulnerable wife. If I get ambitious I can probably even disable the valve.

In Cain's case, he was surrounded by 6000 other maskless idiots. His poor decision wasn't so much not wearing a mask, but attending at all.

This is false. ANY mask that keeps droplets from reaching the wearer's mouth or nose is protective. It simply is not 100% effective. It's still better than no mask at all.

 

[Elagabalus]

Somehow "kids rarely suffer badly" morphed into "kids don't get it." I don't know what planet of fraud or ignorance that came from.

Exactly! The kids today just don't get it!!

 

[Trebuchet]

This is false. ANY mask that keeps droplets from reaching the wearer's mouth or nose is protective. It simply is not 100% effective. It's still better than no mask at all.

Ok, I can buy that.

 

[newyorkguy]

This is an example of a Black man behaving badly and bringing death upon himself? I think we all wondered, 'How will trump devotees attempt to spin this?' Now we know. Predictably, they played the race card.

I think most peoples' problem with Herman Cain began even BEFORE he was reported ill. It was that he was urging people to ignore medical advice in the midst of a deadly epidemic of historic proportions, a pretty crappy thing to be doing. We have a new virus that doctors do not completely understand, not yet anyway. It is an exceptionally deadly virus and extremely contagious. Medical professionals at all levels urge people to take precautions. Wear a face mask. Practice social distancing. Especially in locales that are experiencing an upsurge in cases, do not attend crowded social events if you can possibly avoid them.

That's not political ideology, that's medical advice.

But people like the talking heads on Fox News, that crud in the White House and, yes, Herman Cain, are telling people the opposite. That it IS political rhetoric. That the doctors are full of baloney. (Dr. Fauci now has police protection because he received so many death threats.) Viewed 'rationally,' that is a dangerous, irresponsible thing to be doing. Like buying a pack of smokes for someone under treatment for lung cancer and urging them to, "Go ahead and light up. Cigarettes don't cause cancer; they're quality products!"

Now one of the leading provocateurs got caught up by his own rhetoric, not only becoming infected with coronavirus but ultimately being killed by it. If that ain't cosmic justice I don't what would be.

 

[acbytesla]

This is an example of a Black man behaving badly and bringing death upon himself? I think we all wondered, 'How will trump devotees attempt to spin this?' Now we know. Predictably, they played the race card.

I think most peoples' problem with Herman Cain began even BEFORE he was reported ill. It was that he was urging people to ignore medical advice in the midst of a deadly epidemic of historic proportions, a pretty crappy thing to be doing. We have a new virus that doctors do not completely understand, not yet anyway. It is an exceptionally deadly virus and extremely contagious. Medical professionals at all levels urge people to take precautions. Wear a face mask. Practice social distancing. Especially in locales that are experiencing an upsurge in cases, do not attend crowded social events if you can possibly avoid them.

That's not political ideology, that's medical advice.

But people like the talking heads on Fox News, that crud in the White House and, yes, Herman Cain, are telling people the opposite. That it IS political rhetoric. That the doctors are full of baloney. (Dr. Fauci now has police protection because he received so many death threats.) Viewed 'rationally,' that is a dangerous, irresponsible thing to be doing. Like buying a pack of smokes for someone under treatment for lung cancer and urging them to, "Go ahead and light up. Cigarettes don't cause cancer; they're quality products!"

Now one of the leading provocateurs got caught up by his own rhetoric, not only becoming infected with coronavirus but ultimately being killed by it. If that ain't cosmic justice I don't what would be.

I thought very much thought the COVID virus was a gift to Donald Trump. It presented an opportunity for real leadership or at least an opportunity to look like a leader. If handled even moderately well Trump would win reelection in a walk.

But Trump being Trump, he made not wearing a mask a statement of freedom and how he knew better than doctors and scientists who made the study of infectious diseases their life's work. The President of the United States was encouraging rebellion as well a promoted not only wishful thinking that COVID would just go away but quack cures.

And nothing demonstrated his incompetence and insanity more than his crazy remarks juxtaposed with Governor Cuomo and Dr. Fauci's calm reason.

If ever the Emperor showed his reign was a vapid and empty sham, it was this.