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Ed Do you like your cheese?

arthwollipot said:
You don't get a lot of people referring to cigarettes as "fags" any more, either.
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You do in the UK. But then you don't get anyone using it as a term of abuse for gay men. Not in my experience anyway. Not that there are no bigots, they just have a range of different insults to use.
 
True that. I have only heard fag used derogatory on US TV. Same with the coon thing.
 
cullennz said:
When did people just start posting made up quotes here?

And where am I offended?
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It is not a "made-up quote", it is clearly a precis of your argument, such as it is. There's no suggestion you used those words, is there which is why it is not attributed, or presented in quote format.

You are clearly offended. The same way the people who bemoan the lack of golliwogs on jamjars were offended. The "Whatever next!" formulation followed by some extreme bollocks nobody has contemplated is a clear marker.
 
Orphia Nay said:
"Getting offended by the name of a cheese brand is ridiculous says guy offended by the new name of a cheese brand."

- Just seen elsewhere.
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cullennz said:
Bit random.

Do you mind clarifying
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I saw it in a discussion about this name-change in another place online.


Robin said:
But they still went and retired the brand - even though it is not clear that more than a handful of people were pushing for them to do that.
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Anyone else here think "Coon is a racist name" is like general vernacular in Australia?

Mr Nay is from the UK and he immediately recoiled when he first saw it in the supermarket.

I've known since I was a kid that the name is just wrong, like Golliwogs and the N word. Everybody seems to know.
 
PursuedByABear said:
It is not a "made-up quote", it is clearly a precis of your argument, such as it is. There's no suggestion you used those words, is there which is why it is not attributed, or presented in quote format.

You are clearly offended. The same way the people who bemoan the lack of golliwogs on jamjars were offended. The "Whatever next!" formulation followed by some extreme bollocks nobody has contemplated is a clear marker.
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With all due respect (which frankly is shrinking in volume), quote marks aimed at me portray quotes from me. Which I haven't said.

How is this?

PursuedByABear - "I hate disabled people"

Please stop it,

I am not offended by anything. I just find this one stupid as it is a last name.

I even said in my first post

"But it is a private company, so if they chose to be stupid and change it, who am I to argue?"

Maybe you could have chosen that quote and not made things up

I literally couldn't give a ****. I don't live in Aus. But my personal opinion (which I still think I am allowed) is it is stupid
 
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PursuedByABear said:
It is not a "made-up quote", it is clearly a precis of your argument, such as it is. There's no suggestion you used those words, is there which is why it is not attributed, or presented in quote format.

You are clearly offended. The same way the people who bemoan the lack of golliwogs on jamjars were offended. The "Whatever next!" formulation followed by some extreme bollocks nobody has contemplated is a clear marker.
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That's a hell of a load of projection right there. Feeling unconsciously guilty?
 
cullennz said:
True that. I have only heard fag used derogatory on US TV. Same with the coon thing.
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‘coon’ was very much in use in the UK in the 70s; one of Alf Garnett’s favourite words.


Warning; very racist attitudes. Also, this was broadcast at prime time on mainstream TV in the UK (but not quite in the same league as the Black and White Minstrel Show, which was still going in the late ‘70s).
 
This is purely from memory, but we have lollies/sweets here called Eskimos, which are about 80 odd years old, which a tourist complained about and I think from memory again they are changing.

No big deal as it isn't referring to a specific thing involved with founding the company like a surname etc.

It is a term that offends some people in the north it is directly named after
 
zooterkin said:
‘coon’ was very much in use in the UK in the 70s; one of Alf Garnett’s favourite words.


Warning; very racist attitudes. Also, this was broadcast at prime time on mainstream TV in the UK (but not quite in the same league as the Black and White Minstrel Show, which was still going in the late ‘70s).
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Fair call

Wasn't on my OE in England in the 70's, but I certainly didn't here it once in the ten years there in the 90's
 
cullennz said:
This is purely from memory, but we have lollies/sweets here called Eskimos, which are about 80 odd years old, which a tourist complained about and I think from memory again they are changing.

No big deal as it isn't referring to a specific thing involved with founding the company like a surname etc.

It is a term that offends some people in the north it is directly named after
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My old winter swimming club, the Clovelly Eskimos will be in trouble. Unfortunately.

http://www.wsaainc.com/clovelly-eskimos.html
 
bluesjnr said:
That's a hell of a load of projection right there. Feeling unconsciously guilty?
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I feel guilty for being white because I've had unearned privileges from that.

I can't help feeling guilty.

Are you shaming someone for the same thing?
 
cullennz said:
It comes from an anglosised version of a Scottish surname, so yes it is stupid.
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Why does the origin of the name make it stupid to change it? Many businesses have changed a brand name due an unfortunate association with something completely unrelated. They also regularly choose brand names to deliberately associate a product with something unrelated, when it has positive connotations.

You might say "but if it's unrelated then it shouldn't matter!" but the human brain doesn't work that way. No matter how smart you think you are, you can't stop your mind from making those associations. It's not stupid either, but a valuable mnemonic function that greatly enhances our brain power.

But you know what would be stupid? Naming a product after the original owner simply because that was his name - and then not changing it after discovering that it is identical to a racist slur.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Why does the origin of the name make it stupid to change it? Many businesses have changed a brand name due an unfortunate association with something completely unrelated. They also regularly choose brand names to deliberately associate a product with something unrelated, when it has positive connotations.

You might say "but if it's unrelated then it shouldn't matter!" but the human brain doesn't work that way. No matter how smart you think you are, you can't stop your mind from making those associations. It's not stupid either, but a valuable mnemonic function that greatly enhances our brain power.

But you know what would be stupid? Naming a product after the original owner simply because that was his name - and then not changing it after discovering that it is identical to a racist slur.
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People have and still are been doing something you confess to not be able to do.
 
cullennz said:
People have and still are been doing something you confess to not be able to do.
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The problem is that they are being told to make those associations all the time, and a lot of these calls to change names like this don't even come from minorities but from white folks who want to feel like they're doing something right out of a false sense of guilt.
 
Belz... said:
1) Did you, really? Or are you assuming that based on statistics?
2) Did you have anything to do with such a privilege? If not, why feel guilty for something that is not your fault?
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You ignored me saying I can't help feeling that way. Tried not to for about 40 years.
 
Belz... said:
The problem is that they are being told to make those associations all the time, and a lot of these calls to change names like this don't even come from minorities but from white folks who want to feel like they're doing something right out of a false sense of guilt.
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Fair point. I agree
 
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