Cont: The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread pt. 2

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Fox is blatantly politically biased. The other MSN broadcast stations are merely scandal and controversy biased because that sells the commodity they market.
 
newyorkguy said:
I don't agree that news sources like NBC News or CBS or USAToday are partisan news organizations that politicize everything they report.
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I backed off a little bit on my initial statement by noting that the ones that you mentioned seemed ok.

They don't seem as prominent in my google news feed as CNN, NYT, WaPo, or Fox, at least before I blocked NYT and WaPo. (Fox is no better, and is probably worst of all, but I read conservative sources as a "Know thine enemy" approach.)

And yes, the information is out there. I just wish it were more prominent.


Above all, I really do blame the President. There's only one true bully pulpit in the USA, and he has used it very, very, badly.

Right at the beginning, I contrasted his statement with Gretchen Whitmer's. Governor Whitmer cut into prime time in early March to announce the State of Emergency on the day Michigan reported it's first confirmed case. Sitting next to her was the top Michigan health official. She made a statement about the proclamation, and then turned it over to the health official.

That just seems so obvious to me as the best thing to do, but Trump, and others, would rather hog the spotlight. It's just a bad idea. He'll pay for it, politically, I think, but the country pays for it in lives.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Nonsense. You think people are that shallow?
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I wouldn't say shallow. But I would say most consumers most of the time are motivated by price and convenience. That's how Walmart laid waste to small businesses in communities across the country. How much more will you pay for a widget from Andy's Hardware on Main Street, the one that closes at 6 every day and isn't open Sundays, vs. a comparable product from a 24-hour Walmart?

All of this rapidly becomes academic when you consider how much retail shopping is now done online. If you can get the same widget from Lowe's and Home Depot, it doesn't matter where their retail stores are or even if they're open. Chances are you'll decide by price and speed of delivery.
 
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Meadmaker said:
...CNN, NYT, WaPo, or Fox, at least before I blocked NYT and WaPo...
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The New York Times and the Washington Post are award-winning newspapers of international acclaim with very high journalistic standards. Lumping them in with Fox News -- Fox News, seriously? -- seems pretty naive.

Back in March I watched Fox News' Jeanine Pirro assure her audience that coronavirus was no more serious than the "common cold." She fairly yelled it. If a columnist at the Times or Post had written something that blatantly false the two papers probably would have printed a disclaimer and a fact check. I'm sorry, I don't see that the Post and Times compare with Fox News in any manner, shape or form.
 
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newyorkguy said:
The New York Times and the Washington Post are award-winning newspapers of international acclaim with very high journalistic standards. Lumping them in with Fox News -- Fox News, seriously? -- seems pretty naive.

Back in March I watched Fox News' Jeanine Pirro assure her audience that coronavirus was no more serious than the "common cold." She fairly yelled it. If a columnist at the Times or Post had written something that blatantly false the two papers probably would have printed a disclaimer and a fact check. I'm sorry, I don't see that the Post and Times compare with Fox News in any manner, shape or form.
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What I found with WaPo and NYT was not about errors within the story, but selective reporting and emphasis. "TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING WRONG IN AN OFFHAND REMARK" isn't really headline worthy, but I read that story a whole bunch of times as if it were important news.

At any rate, I found their stories sufficiently tedious that eliminating them as sources made things improve. Obviously, both papers have tremendous reputations, and I used to read them in print at least occasionally, back when bookstores sold newspapers, and the New York Times was circulated nationwide. I just don't see a reason to do that anymore.
 
If you want to know things, avoiding the NYT and WaPo might not be your best move.

Try Trump, Inc., which is a combo deal with PROpublica.
 
carlitos said:
If you want to know things, avoiding the NYT and WaPo might not be your best move.

Try Trump, Inc., which is a combo deal with PROpublica.
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It might be that google news is just a biased filter, tending to favor stories and/or headlines with an anti-Trump slant.

I know that before I got them off of my feed, I could read a headline and know it was from one of those two sources, and I can still do it with Fox. Generally it was when they were blowing up something all out of proportion to make Trump look bad, that was WaPo or NYT.

I still have plenty of headlines about Trump being wrong, because he's wrong a lot, but the tone isn't as strident and the offenses against reality are more significant.

As for Fox, anything that sounds pro-Trump, when all the related headlines are neutral or anti-Trump, is Fox.


And....the really good news.....Fox isn't dependable like that anymore. Even Fox is saying neutral to bad things about him. That's why Trump has been critical of them.

Speaking of which:

I just saw a video of excerpts from his interview with Chris Wallace. The video was from the Lincoln Project. All they did was take the statements that made Trump sound stupid, and played them along with music and a laugh track. Funny stuff.

I don't know if they actually edited the answers to make them misleading. I don't think they did. They cherry picked his answers, for sure, but I'm sure they were all his words, and I don't think they changed the meaning in the editing.

When your Fox News interview ends up in a Lincoln Project commercial, you don't have the friends you used to have at Fox News.
 
I suppose I should start a thread in the CT forum but I can't help but wonder if someone isn't sneaking antibody plasma to the Trump family. Kimberly Guifoyle is suspiciously completely well.

People: Kimberly Guilfoyle Meets with Donald Trump Less Than 3 Weeks After Testing Positive for Coronavirus She's looking quite well.
Kimberly Guilfoyle visited the White House on Tuesday, two and a half weeks after she tested positive for the novel coronavirus. Kimberly Guilfoyle visited the White House on Tuesday, two and a half weeks after she tested positive for the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).

Guilfoyle, who is dating Donald Trump Jr., shared photos on Instagram Wednesday from a virtual fundraising event that the couple hosted on Tuesday.

"Amazing day raising money with @donaldjtrumpjr and @realdonaldtrump in our first ever Virtual fundraiser with the President," Guilfoyle wrote in the caption for a series of posts from the day. No one was wearing masks in the photos, though she and Trump appeared to be seated six feet apart.
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Either that or the whole family (inner circle) have been vaccinated already.
 
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Meadmaker said:
What I found with WaPo and NYT was not about errors within the story, but selective reporting and emphasis. "TRUMP SAYS SOMETHING WRONG IN AN OFFHAND REMARK" isn't really headline worthy, but I read that story a whole bunch of times as if it were important news.
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Nothing the President says is an "offhand" remark, especially when he says it in public, and especially when it supports the compelling evidence that Trump is stupid, ignorant, corrupt and delusional. Trump has a long history of saying outrageous things, then claiming "Oh, I was just kidding!"

The media aren't partisan or biased just because they're telling you something you don't want to hear.
It’s no longer a question as to whether President Trump will exceed 20,000 false or misleading claims by the time his current term is completed. Instead, we have to ask: Will he top 25,000?

As of May 29, his 1,226th day in office, Trump had made 19,127 false or misleading claims, according to the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered. That’s almost 16 claims a day over the course of his presidency. So far this year, he’s averaging just over 22 claims a day, similar to the pace he set in 2019.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-19127-false-or-misleading-claims-1226-days/
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
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Either that or the whole family (inner circle) have been vaccinated already.
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Why would you say that? It's pretty clear that a lot of people can get covid without getting very sick, and some don't even get sick enough to know there's any problem at all. Odds are that a young, healthy woman would suffer pretty mild effects.
 
Bob001 said:
Why would you say that? It's pretty clear that a lot of people can get covid without getting very sick, and some don't even get sick enough to know there's any problem at all. Odds are that a young, healthy woman would suffer pretty mild effects.
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According to Wiki she's 51.

I'm not saying it's obvious. I'm just saying I wonder if that's why Trump Jr and his girlfriend haven't been that sick. And Trump has been exposed a number of times without getting it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I suppose I should start a thread in the CT forum but I can't help but wonder if someone isn't sneaking antibody plasma to the Trump family. Kimberly Guifoyle is suspiciously completely well.
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Mmm... Honestly, I wouldn't call that suspicious at all. Most cases, especially for healthy women of her age group, aren't serious at all, and it's been notably more than the supposedly up to 10 days of infectiousness after symptom onset.
 
newyorkguy said:
Health officials have been warning since last Spring that we need (needed)
to get the coronavirus numbers flattened out before the Fall Flu season begins.

The highlighted part is what health officials are worried about. The stress
on hospitals if we have high numbers of active coronavirus cases when the
Flu season starts. Already we're seeing healthcare systems stressed in Texas
and Georgia. Especially given the fact, patients with coronavirus have to be
isolated, the logistics could be difficult to deal with.
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Pretty clear they thinking it’s additive. Whereas I think the evolutionary
competition between the two viruses will lead to an abnormally small
number of flu cases this and next year. Well, we’ll see what happens.


lomiller said:
More like 34% are happy to see others die for the cause. Republicans are
already accustomed to believing all the negative effects of policy will fall on
someone else while they will personally reap all the benefits. Eg the elderly
voting form Republicans espousing “entitlement reform” never seem to care
that social security and Medicare would be cut because Republicans tell them
the cuts will only apply to other people.

Since they are already accustomed to this type of thinking it’s pretty easy
to convince Republicans that “you will not be the one who dies and you will
reap the economic benefits of their sacrifice”.
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Spot on. I just read an article on that.



Rand Paul Calls For Cuomo To Be Impeached Over Coronavirus Response by Kaelan Deese

Commenting on recently reimposed restrictions in states that are seeing
new COVID-19 spikes, Paul said individuals "need to assess their own risks
with regard to the virus," saying that for "those under 18, the risk of mortality
is about one in a million or a little bit less. For those ages 18 to 45, it's about
10 out of 100,000 for the mortality.
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Clearly not dividing deaths by exposure here, but rather total population.

Looks like the virus will split the Republican Party into central and costal divisions.

Can the rift be healed?
 
The infection spikes have been caused by protestors and Mexicans, not premature reopenings.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday blamed a dramatic uptick in U.S. coronavirus cases on young people who attended nationwide protests over police brutality, summer holidays, a "substantial increase in travel" and migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, even though his own advisers have also attributed the surge to some states' early reopenings.

"There are likely a number of causes for the spike in infections. Cases started to rise among young Americans shortly after demonstrations, which you know very well about, which presumably triggered a broader relaxation of mitigation efforts nationwide"

"We're also sharing a 2,000 mile border with Mexico as we know very well and cases are surging in Mexico ... it's a big problem for Mexico but cases are surging very sharply and all across the rest of the Western Hemisphere. "
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He's also just recently discovered what the experts have been saying from the start.

"I'm finding more and more people are saying wash your hands. So wash your hands," he added.
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carlitos said:
Full disclosure - I'm not going to do this; I have more important things to do.

If I were to show you that the color scheme and parameters were the default settings for that piece of graphics software, would it change your mind?
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varwoche said:
It's hard to believe, but yes. What software is it?
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Hmm. It's not like that's a trick question. Nor is it a difficult question that would measurably hinder the more important things you have to do, should you post the answer.
 
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Aridas said:
Survival potential will determine whether South Texas county hospital takes in COVID-19 patients

'We cannot continue functioning the way things are going. The numbers are staggering,'

*sighs*
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Well they got their death panels now.

"Starr County Health Authority Dr. Jose Vazquez said Starr County Memorial Hospital, the county’s only hospital, on Tuesday implemented an ethics committee and a triage committee to review all coronavirus patients as they come in to determine what type of life-saving equipment and treatment they would likely require and whether they would likely survive. Those deemed too fragile or sick or elderly will be advised to go home to loved ones, he said."
 
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