PartSkeptic’s Thread for Predictions and Other Matters of Interest

[PartSkeptic]

@ JayUtah

Your mock/knock my posts and me.

You have offered none of your own insights to some issues I have given my hypotheses on.

1) What is your belief as to the Prime Cause?
2) How bad will this pandemic get?
3) Why is it NOT possible that people suffer EHS
4) Why is it NOT possible that Covid long haulers are now EHS sufferers?
5) Why would the Telcos NOT engage in "strategic warfare" against science showing harm?

Please take one post per question rather than a bland general dismissal with sarcasm. Try to be specific.

 

[JayUtah]

I have stated that my experience is that EMFs amplify any underlying illness that would ordinarily be unnoticeable or minor.

No. Electromagnetic field energy is not a catch-all aggravating factor to physical illness. This is not your "experience." It's naive speculation.

 

[JayUtah]

Your mock/knock my posts and me.

Report the post if you feel you have been personally attacked. If not, then do not insinuate as much for empty rhetorical effect. You claim expertise you cannot demonstrate. If you don't want to be called on that, stop doing it.

You have offered none of your own insights to some issues I have given my hypotheses on.

I have correctly resisted your efforts to change the subject when you get cornered regarding your demonstrable ignorance on the points you bring up. Inviting people to "offer their insights" according to your daily whims is shifting the burden of proof.

Please take one post per question rather than a bland general dismissal with sarcasm. Try to be specific.

No. I told you before we're not going to follow your predetermined road map for this debate.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Watch some news. Vaccinations in poor countries has dropped. .

W.H.O. / Immunization coverage
* Global measles mortality has declined by 73%
* Most children today receive lifesaving vaccines
* Uptake of new and underused vaccines is increasing.
* Immunization currently prevents 2-3 million deaths every year
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/immunization-coverage

Your god is telling you fibs.

 

[Pixel42]

What you have posted is an anecdote of scientists musing in perplexity.

What I have posted in someone who actually knows what he's talking about discussing what we know so far (which obviously isn't much, as this is a new virus) and offering his expert, informed, speculation. In contrast to this thread, in which someone who has no idea what he's talking about offers his uninformed, wild speculation.

Thanks for the reference. It supports my hypothesis.

No, it really doesn't. "Electrosmog is undermining peoples' immune systems" isn't on the list of possible explanations for a very good reason.

The reason it support my hypothesis is that I have stated that my experience is that EMFs amplify any underlying illness that would ordinarily be unnoticeable or minor.

How does that completely unevidenced statement make anything said in the podcast support your hypothesis?

If you could offer some objective evidence of a correlation between the number of Covid-19 sufferers who get these longer lasting symptoms and areas of high "electrosmog" then you might get us to take you seriously. But you can't, can you? You can't even offer objective evidence of your own claim of a correlation between your ill health and "electrosmog", even though such evidence would be trivially easy to obtain if it existed.

Again I say, put the sufferes in an EMF free zone for two weeks. Will not be done because the industry will not let it happen.

And again I say there is absolutely nothing stopping you, or anyone who shares your beliefs, doing exactly that. There would be nothing "the industry" could do to prevent it. So stop bleating and get on with it.

 

[Pixel42]

I entirely agree with JayUtah's reasons for ignoring these questions but rain is preventing me going for my usual walk or bike ride, so just for a laugh:

1) What is your belief as to the Prime Cause?

I don't know how the universe began, but I see no good reason to think there was a prime cause. My feeling (and it is just a feeling, not a belief) is that the 'infinite multiverse of finite universes' hypothesis will turn out to be the correct one, removing any need for a prime cause.

2) How bad will this pandemic get?

I don't know, I'm neither an epidemiologist nor psychic. All I can say is that at the moment I'm feeling fairly optimistic that the Croatian cruise I have booked for September will go ahead, but I won't be particularly surprised if it doesn't.

Note: the remaining questions all blatantly and outrageously shift the burden of proof, which is of course on those who make these claims.

3) Why is it NOT possible that people suffer EHS

It's not impossible, and people clearly suffer symptoms which they attribute to EHS, but there is no objective evidence they are right and other, more plausible, explanations for their symptoms.

4) Why is it NOT possible that Covid long haulers are now EHS sufferers?

It's not impossible but there is no objective evidence for EHS, nor for a correlation between Covid long haulers and electrosmog, and therefore no good reason to suspect it. Anyone who does suspect it anyway is free to look for evidence to support that suspicion.

5) Why would the Telcos NOT engage in "strategic warfare" against science showing harm?

There are certainly precedents for companies attempting to cover up evidence that their products are doing harm, but no good reason to think that is happening in this case (see the lab studies which have been published without any such interference, which you yourself keep citing). The fact that such harm, if it did exist, would be pretty much unavoidable, and hence affect Telco employees and their families, makes it somewhat less likely it would happen (at least for long) in this case than in most previous ones.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

re question 5; Partskeptic keeps ignoring that the non-effect of EHF on genetics and microbiology other than that of cooking it has been established well before wifi/5G and all the other mobile networks were ever concieved, so in his world Telco's somehow sabotaged that research before they existed.

In the same way NASA blocks research in a flat earth from the time of the greeks onward.

 

[varwoche]

How is this for some prophetic writing on my part!...

Weak. Recognizing long-standing racial tensions in the US most certainly does not require prophetic abilities. Your average geranium knows this.

In addition, even if it was impressive, readers have no way of confirming when you wrote it. Hopefully you can appreciate that critical thinkers aren't going to assign weight to extraordinary, unconfirmable claims from an anonymous character on the internet. Never mind that the anonymous character in question has an extensive record of unsupported, extraordinary claims and weasels out of simple testing protocols.

 

[JayUtah]

I entirely agree with JayUtah's reasons for ignoring these questions...

And I see what you mean about the irony meter. After dismissing my critique of his approach as nothing but mockery and unfounded speculation, he proceeds in the next post to do exactly what I point out he has been doing all along -- trying desperately to shove absurd arguments into his critics' mouths.

Note: the remaining questions all blatantly and outrageously shift the burden of proof, which is of course on those who make these claims.

If you're going to argue by loading questions, and expect to succeed, you have to be a lot less clumsy about it. Ditto trying to steer the debate by launching off in a new direction every day.

 

[catsmate]

Not lying. Mistaken. It was the Main Stream Media who were stunned when Trump won. Based on their stories one could say it was "people". I take it you thought Trump was a shoe-in?

I see you're now trying to change the subject to paper over your prior, exposed, lies.

 

[catsmate]

I have a long list of achievements. There were a number that people thought impossible.

Right......

 

[catsmate]

I think toxins and EMFs are partly to blame.

Yes, but we know you're wrong on this, as on everything else.

However, infant mortality will probably rise as the global infrastructure crumbles.

Delivery of medicines have become problematic.

Actually, no it hasn't.

Our modern world is currently too fragile in the interconnectedness. There is no "fat" in the supply chain. No reserves. Too little local production.

And yet the Covid-19 pandemic hasn't caused general collapses...

 

[PartSkeptic]

Telcos and their surrogates "attack the person and not the science."

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oj...R8xBERf8YU7FUL9_22LpFOvCOtQuYo-HrYK-6j8G7HKLI

There have been at least 14 scientists who have been victims of personality assassination by the telecom industry, where an incredibly wealthy and powerful industry attacks individual scientists through their surrogates. This started in Nov. 1994 before Dr. Lai had even published his first paper on EMF DNA effects and was immediately followed by the infamous “War Gaming Memo

…It is not pleasant to be the target of such attacks but I take it as a badge of honor that I have been added to this list. The telecom industry obviously thinks it is to their advantage to perform personality assassinations, but anyone should see that this history confirms that they have no science. If they had science, they would be debating the science, not attacking individuals.

 

[JayUtah]

Telcos and their surrogates "attack the person and not the science."

You shopped the Lai memo twice before. Bringing it up again isn't going to help you. Neither you nor the source you're cribbing your interpretation of it from knows what "war-gaming" means in the context of business jargon. As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Pixel42]

If they had science, they would be debating the science, not attacking individuals.

In order to debate science there would need to be some science to debate. And no, a handful of petri dish experiments do not qualify. Objective evidence of actual harm to actual people is required.

If you and your fellow EMS believers had science you would be publishing it so that it could be debated, not attacking the Telcos.

 

[PartSkeptic]

You shopped the Lai memo twice before. Bringing it up again isn't going to help you. Neither you nor the source you're cribbing your interpretation of it from knows what "war-gaming" means in the context of business jargon. As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.

As usual you have no meaningful contribution. Ironically, you do just what my post says you and the Telcos are doing. You just fire broadside after broadside of negative comments about me.

That reference has a huge amount of science. Did you even bother to read it?

Try answering this.

Do you think that the VGCC mechanism can be affected by low-level microwaves?

If not, please cite a credible peer-reviewed science paper that gives specifics as to why the effects seen by so many are wrong? Why are scientists seeing and measuring the effects?

 

[PartSkeptic]

In order to debate science there would need to be some science to debate. And no, a handful of petri dish experiments do not qualify. Objective evidence of actual harm to actual people is required.

If you and your fellow EMS believers had science you would be publishing it so that it could be debated, not attacking the Telcos.

It is being published. And I have been referencing it. You do not address it. You make bland statements that there is no science.

I also ask you to say why Dr Pall is wrong. And why all the science he referencing is wrong. Same reference.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ojI...HrYK-6j8G7HKLI

Are you closing your mind to the possibility that he is right?

As for anecdotes there are three more new issues with science (and governments) not dealing with anecdotal evidence until it becomes overwhelming and movements to pressure them build up. They were dismissed as "woman's issues". Sales continued.

The BBC reports these:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-5...ews/health&link_location=live-reporting-story
Cases span decades and are believed to involved hundreds of thousands of women and babies.
The review looked at three treatments:
• Primodos - a hormonal pregnancy test, withdrawn from the market in the 1978, which is thought to be associated with birth defects and miscarriages. The manufacturer, Schering, now part of Bayer, has always denied a link between the drug and deformities in babies.
• Sodium valproate - an epilepsy drug which, while effective for preventing seizures, can be harmful if taken during pregnancy, causing physical abnormalities to the baby in the womb as well as developmental delay and autism in children whose mothers took it.
• Pelvic mesh implants - used as a surgical option to treat prolapse and incontinence, some women say they have been left with internal damage and agonising chronic pain "like razors inside the body". In the last few years, the procedure has only been offered on the NHS under exceptional circumstances and high vigilance.

Do you think that:
the huge number of anti-emf organizations;
the huge number of law suits and letters and appeals;
and the huge number of testing devices for emf;
are based on scare mongering and have NO science what-so-ever?

If yes, then you guys are not skeptics - just nay-sayers to anyone who has views that are not main stream media.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Weak. Recognizing long-standing racial tensions in the US most certainly does not require prophetic abilities. Your average geranium knows this.

In addition, even if it was impressive, readers have no way of confirming when you wrote it. Hopefully you can appreciate that critical thinkers aren't going to assign weight to extraordinary, unconfirmable claims from an anonymous character on the internet. Never mind that the anonymous character in question has an extensive record of unsupported, extraordinary claims and weasels out of simple testing protocols.

Oh, so you foresaw the current racial protests and calls to defund the police as inevitable? And so did the bulk of Americans?

I could produce proof I wrote that in 1992 but it would mean getting more personal than I care to get.

I hope to publish the book and then you can decide..

I write things on this forum in good faith. Yet is seems that this forum keeps going back the tired and hackneyed response that anything I say is unprovable and therefore unacceptable. And any link I provide is unacceptable because ... well, just because... A real debate killer.

 

[Pixel42]

It is being published. And I have been referencing it. You do not address it. You make bland statements that there is no science.

The only science you have referenced (apart from studies on possible health damage from mobile phones pressed to the ear, which are undisputed and entirely irrelevant to your own claims) are the petri dish experiments under high levels of EMF I already pointed out were not sufficient. I repeat: Objective evidence of actual harm to actual people is required. Then there will be some science to debate.

I also ask you to say why Dr Pall is wrong. And why all the science he referencing is wrong. Same reference.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ojI...HrYK-6j8G7HKLI

I read your link, it's a collection of anecdotes. I've agreed many times that anecdotes are sufficient reason to do a scientific investigation (something which clearly did not happen in the recent shameful example you refer to) but they are not objective evidence.

Are you closing your mind to the possibility that he is right?

I'm saying we currently have no objective evidence that his concerns are justified.

Are you closing your mind to the possibility that he is wrong?

Do you think that:
the huge number of anti-emf organizations;
the huge number of law suits and letters and appeals;
and the huge number of testing devices for emf;
are based on scare mongering and have NO science what-so-ever?

I think that we currently have no objective evidence that their concerns are justified. The objective evidence we do have - the blind tests which show that EMS sufferers are unable to tell whether the EMR they claim is the source of the symptoms is on or off - suggests they are not.

 

[catsmate]

Telcos and their surrogates "attack the person and not the science."

Evidence for this one of your assertions?