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Mary Trump's Book

SuburbanTurkey said:
Any indication that this book is moving the needle on public perception of Trump?

Seems like catnip for people who already take a dim view of the man, and something easily ignored by his supporters.
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Trump's supporters are very adept at ignoring so many disgusting things about him.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The people with no souls are the ones who feel cheated out of an inheritance. You cannot be cheated out of something that was never yours to begin with.
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That's ludicrous. If your siblings talked your father with dementia into removing you and/or your children from his will while dividing the money between themselves, do not even try and tell me you wouldn't feel cheated.
 
Stacyhs said:
That's ludicrous. If your siblings talked your father with dementia into removing you and/or your children from his will while dividing the money between themselves, do not even try and tell me you wouldn't feel cheated.
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I would not feel cheated. It isn't my money to decide what to do with. I don't go around telling people how to spend their money.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I would not feel cheated. It isn't my money to decide what to do with. I don't go around telling people how to spend their money.
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You don't seem to grasp that Fred Sr. was dying with dementia. He wasn't deciding much of anything. His previous wills treated his children equally.
 
Bob001 said:
You don't seem to grasp that Fred Sr. was dying with dementia. He wasn't deciding much of anything.
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Doesn't matter. It is his money. It is his money to decide in whatever mental state he is.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Doesn't matter. It is his money. It is his money to decide in whatever mental state he is.
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And then, a bit later when he was no longer capable of making decisions anymore, someone else changed the will. You don't seem to be willing to understand that.
 
crescent said:
And then, a bit later when he was no longer capable of making decisions anymore, someone else changed the will. You don't seem to be willing to understand that.
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He was capable enough. Unless you allege a signature was forged, those are the choices Fred set in motion for his decision making process earlier in his life. That is the method he adopted.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I would not feel cheated. It isn't my money to decide what to do with. I don't go around telling people how to spend their money.
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BobTheCoward said:
I guess your position is easier than accepting someone has a different view of the world from you.
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It wasn't Donald's money to spend. It was his father's. Until, of course, Donald manipulated his dementia afflicted father into cutting out Fred Jr. and, to a large part, his children.

Somehow, I just find it more than unlikely that you wouldn't have a problem with that.
 
Stacyhs said:
It wasn't Donald's money to spend. It was his father's. Until, of course, Donald manipulated his dementia afflicted father into cutting out Fred Jr. and, to a large part, his children.

Somehow, I just find it more than unlikely that you wouldn't have a problem with that.
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That was the process Fred trump set up for himself. If he didn't want Donald making those decisions in a future state of diminishment, he had plenty of lawyers.
 
BobTheCoward said:
He was capable enough. Unless you allege a signature was forged, those are the choices Fred set in motion for his decision making process earlier in his life. That is the method he adopted.
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You are making assumptions. You don't know what he was mentally capable of at that point. But I think we know exactly what Donnie was capable of.
 
Stacyhs said:
You are making assumptions. You don't know what he was mentally capable of at that point. But I think we know exactly what Donnie was capable of.
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By capable enough, I mean he took actions before his dementia that established that the decision making process hat occurred would occur.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Any indication that this book is moving the needle on public perception of Trump?

Seems like catnip for people who already take a dim view of the man, and something easily ignored by his supporters.
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The way I see it, the book itself won't actually change people's perceptions of Trump.

I think the way it can hurt Trump is:
- The way Trump responds. He's unstable. Something like the book might cause him to make more mistakes that cost him politically
- The book might contain leads that news organizations (or even prosecutors) that could be damaging down the road.
 
Segnosaur said:
The way I see it, the book itself won't actually change people's perceptions of Trump.

I think the way it can hurt Trump is:
- The way Trump responds. He's unstable.
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"FAKE NEWS! Lying Mary said I looked bad at Thanksgiving when I dressed as an adult baby! TOTAL LIES!! It was XMAS and I looked GREAT! SEE?" [photo of Trump dressed as adult baby]
 
BobTheCoward said:
By capable enough, I mean he took actions before his dementia that established that the decision making process hat occurred would occur.
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Dementia is progressive and erratic. My grandmother was great some days and couldn't figure out how to turn the TV on other days or remember if she'd had breakfast. On one bad day, a "lawyer" sold her a 20 year annuity. She was 83 and thought he was a lawyer when he was a salesman. No one in their right mind buys a 20 year annuity at 83 years of age. We only found out about it after it was too late. We lived in a different state and had no idea how bad she'd become but that incident is what made my parents move her in with them and to get POA over her finances.

Knowing what a full fledged turd Donnie is, it would not surprise me in the least that he would take advantage of a 'bad day' for his father.

And I just don't believe for one second you'd be fine with a sibling doing to you what Donnie did to his brother.
 
Stacyhs said:
Dementia is progressive and erratic. My grandmother was great some days and couldn't figure out how to turn the TV on other days or remember if she'd had breakfast. On one bad day, a "lawyer" sold her a 20 year annuity. She was 83 and thought he was a lawyer when he was a salesman. No one in their right mind buys a 20 year annuity at 83 years of age. We only found out about it after it was too late. We lived in a different state and had no idea how bad she'd become but that incident is what made my parents move her in with them and to get POA over her finances.

Knowing what a full fledged turd Donnie is, it would not surprise me in the least that he would take advantage of a 'bad day' for his father.

And I just don't believe for one second you'd be fine with a sibling doing to you what Donnie did to his brother.
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That was the decision making process settled on in the decades without dementia.
 
President Donald Trump tried to rewrite his father's will in 1990 to strengthen his position as the only person to inherit his father's estate, according to a bombshell New York Times report about Trump's and his family's tax practices.

But Fred Trump foiled the attempt, as he feared his son could strip his estate and use it to rescue his own failing businesses, The Times reported, citing depositions and other documents it obtained.

Donald Trump had sent his father a document that would make him the sole executor of the estate and protect his portion of his inheritance from creditors and his impending divorce settlement, according to the report.

Fred Trump, then 85, had not seen the document before but was instructed to sign immediately, The Times reported. He saw the move as an attempt to go behind his back.

He showed the document to his daughter Maryanne Trump Barry, a federal judge at the time. She recalled in her deposition that he told her, "This doesn't pass the smell test," The Times reported.

Then Fred Trump had lawyers draft new documents stripping his son of sole control of the estate. Notes from those lawyers cited by The Times show that Fred Trump's instructions were to "protect assets from DJT, Donald's creditors."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/nyt-trump-tried-change-fred-trump-will-2018-10
 
I don't think the book will significantly harm Trump's election chances. Very few minds are going to be changed. But those that are changed will be away from Trump, so it won't do him any good.
 
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