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Trump Sues Bolton over Book Release

Ah, Willie Rushton, one of the original stalwarts of ISIHAC. I'll never forget how he finished off the well known phrase or saying "Don't get your knickers in …" with "... a car boot sale". Still the single best piece of advice I've ever heard.
 
I don’t suppose this would have happened either. I think I have a copy somewhere.
I'm a big fan of Willie Rushton and have just bought that - a bargain for 3 quid. I wondee what Cook, Rushton and the rest of the 60s satire boom would have made of Trump?
 
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I am enjoying that one of the first releases from the book was about Pompaus saying Trump was full of ****. Someone is about to get the Tillerson treatment.
 
Best for America would have been to testify during the impeachment trial.

He agreed to do so if he was subpoenaed. The Rep controlled committee never subpoenaed him.

Personally, I think Bolton is a war-mongering cockwomble, but this myth that he declined to testify is utter bollocks.
 
Bolton’s world view differs from mine in many ways. And his reluctance to make all this public months ago when it would have carried more weight is highly suspect.

But he never struck me as dishonest.

I sure hope his recollections of conversations are backed up by contemporaneous notes or others “in the room”.

Though to vote Trump supporters, these revelations - if not complete fabrications - just show how smart their guy is.

Question: could not a House committee subpoena him now?
 
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The thing is, those voters probably would have abandoned trump already over the Ukraine scandal/impeachment. Bolton saying "trump tried to get China to help his re-election" is just more of the same.

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It will help to address the "China Biden" mantra.
 
Trump must be blowing his orange dyed comb over about this. How I would love to see it.

Bolton said he thinks Putin knows he can play Trump like a fiddle, that he doesn't see Trump as a serious adversary and he's not worried about Donald Trump.

Well, no ****! Anyone can play Trump like a fiddle. All you have go do is praise him and tell him how smart he is.

ETA: Bolton also claims Pompeo said Trump is "full of ****". Tillerson said Trump was a "******* moron". Poor Trump cain't git no lovin' from his Secretaries of State.
Amazing how many of these incompetent idiots got through the Trump interview....
 
CNN has a copy.


They have information about some of the things in the book on their website now.

  • Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping for help in getting reelected
  • Trump had no problem with China's concentration camps
  • Pompeo, famously loyal to the President, may have trash-talked him
  • Trump offered to help Turkey's leader avoid a Justice Department probe
  • The Israeli prime minister didn't understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace
  • The White House decision-making process was like a 'food fight'
  • Trump didn't like sanctions on Russia
  • Trump's revealing questions: Is Finland a part of Russia?
  • Trump told people that Venezuela is 'really part of the US' and wanted to invade
  • Trump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters 'serve time in jail'
 
  • The Israeli prime minister didn't understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace

This might be a matter of reducing the issue to one sentence, but I seriously doubt this is true. Bibi, himself facing corruption charges, didn't understand why Kushner led?

Just couldn't wrap his brain around that one huh? Two decades in Israeli politics and never understood nepotism?
 
Channelling my inner Trump supporter.....


They have information about some of the things in the book on their website now.

  • Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping for help in getting reelected
  • Trump had no problem with China's concentration camps
  • Pompeo, famously loyal to the President, may have trash-talked him
  • Trump offered to help Turkey's leader avoid a Justice Department probe
  • The Israeli prime minister didn't understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace
  • The White House decision-making process was like a 'food fight'
  • Trump didn't like sanctions on Russia
  • Trump's revealing questions: Is Finland a part of Russia?
  • Trump told people that Venezuela is 'really part of the US' and wanted to invade
  • Trump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters 'serve time in jail'

  • President Trump is the greatest President ever but he is constantly under attack from the Deep State and Fake News Media. It's only fair that President Trump uses all means at his disposal to ensure his reelection and Keep America Great
  • The US is not the world's policeman. It's time for other countries to face up to China for the human rights abuses
  • Hearsay from a Deep State operative
  • The US is not the world's policeman. Why is the Justice Department getting involved in Turkey's politics
  • Well perhaps now the Israeli Prime Minister understands, given how successful Jared Kushner has been
  • Hearsay from a Deep State operative
  • President Trump, global statesman, was wisely reversing previous administrations' policy of antagonising Russia. President Trump, the consummate businessman knows that the real threats to America are abortion, ANTIFA, atheists and advocates for 2nd amendment repeal, not Russia
  • Hearsay from a Deep State operative
  • What he said is that it is in the US sphere of influence (it is) and, strategic genius that he is, he was spitballing some ideas about how to dislodge the communist menace and bring succour to the Venezuelan people.
  • President Trump is to be taken seriously, not literally. He wasn't literally advocating their jailing of execution but on the other hand, the Fake News Media shouldn't be able to get away with spreading lies about the greatest President ever

Being serious though, the only people who would care one iota about any of this are probably already implacably opposed to President Trump. The rest either couldn't care less one way or another (they're too busy just putting food on the table) or actually think that most of, if not all of, these are good things to do. :mad:
 
It seems to me that the Presidents predictable response to Boltons allegations creates a logic puzzle. How can Boltons allegations be lies while at the same time also be criminal acts that disclose classified information?

If they are lies, then the information is false. Events that never happened cannot be classified.
 
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The thing is, those voters probably would have abandoned trump already over the Ukraine scandal/impeachment. Bolton saying "trump tried to get China to help his re-election" is just more of the same.

It will help to address the "China Biden" mantra.
Possibly. But we also have plenty of live video with trump praising China... Which in my opinion is much more useful in combating allegations that "Biden will be too nice to China".



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John Bolton Plumbs the Depth of Trump’s Depravity

Wow, that exactly the headline you want in the "Atlantic", a well known center-right publication the month before your nominating convention.

Now that I think about it, Bolton should have waited until the week of the convention to publish his book. If the goal is revenge, twisting the knife is far more satisfying.
 
It seems to me that the Presidents predictable response to Boltons allegations creates a logic puzzle. How can Boltons allegations be lies while at the same time also be criminal acts that disclose classified information?
I don't think it is such an interesting logic puzzle. I can easily imagine that a lot of stuff in the book is the sort of embarrasing stuff the Trump administration tried to hide on that top secret server, while at the same time Bolton lies in the book about how involved he was himself.
 
It seems to me that the Presidents predictable response to Boltons allegations creates a logic puzzle. How can Boltons allegations be lies while at the same time also be criminal acts that disclose classified information?

If they are lies, then the information is false. Events that never happened cannot be classified.

In theory, some content could be lies and some other content of the book could be true, yet classified information.

But of course everyone, including any Trump supporter, knows this is BS excuse.
 
They have information about some of the things in the book on their website now.
May just be me, but I don't think anything here is that big of a revelation, and probably won't make much difference..

Not that I don't think these things are evidence of deep corruption within the Trump administration... just that they seem to be covering things that have already been seen before. Trump supporters were cool with these abuses before, why think they will change now?
[*]Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping for help in getting reelected
As mentioned before... Trump already tried to get Ukraine to help. Congressional republicans said "That's quite OK".

Now someone mentioned how it might help deflect the "Biden/China" claims by Trump.... But we already have video evidence of Trump praising china. (Not to mention other things, like china granting Ivanka certain traidmarks.)

[*]Trump had no problem with China's concentration camps
And republicans had no problem with concentration camps right there in the U.S. (for people trying to cross the border).

[*]Pompeo, famously loyal to the President, may have trash-talked him
Again, we've already seen other administration officials criticize Trump. (Most famously Tillerson's "Moron" comment.)

Now, maybe the fact that it's Trump loyalist Pompeo might cause a little dissent within the ranks of the Trump administration (which may be a good thing). But as it stands? It doesn't seem to be a big deal.
[*]Trump offered to help Turkey's leader avoid a Justice Department probe
Trump has obstructed justice many times for many people/many reasons. Republicans are perfectly fine with it. (Firing inspector generals, lying to FBI officials, etc.)
[*]The Israeli prime minister didn't understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace
Everyone knows Kushner has been given a bunch of tasks that he is unqualified for.... (Middle east peace, Covid-19 response, etc.) Its not really a surprise that other people recognize Kushner was in over his head.
[*]The White House decision-making process was like a 'food fight'
We have seen Trump rapidly change his stance over so many topics. We have seen various power struggles before.
[*]Trump didn't like sanctions on Russia
Not surprising, since Trump has attempted to reverse various punishments for years now. (Getting Russia back in the G7, failures to comply with various requirements set forward by congress.)
[*]Trump's revealing questions: Is Finland a part of Russia?
Trump also apparently did not know that the U.K. was a nuclear power.

(From: BBC

Granted, the fact Trump didn't know Finland was an independent country is new, but its hardly surprising. Trump is a spectacularly ignorant person... you can point to dozens of things (from how 'raking forests prevents fires' to 'injecting bleach cures covid19') that illustrate his ignorance. One more item of ignorance isn't going to make much of a difference.
[*]Trump told people that Venezuela is 'really part of the US' and wanted to invade
Trump supporters will claim "since he didn't invade he didn't really want to".

Anti-Trump people can point to other things (his nuclear threats against North Korea, his dismantling of the Iran nuclear deal, his infatuation with military parades) to show that Trump is more than capable of leading the U.S. into another war.
[*]Trump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters 'serve time in jail'
He has also been calling the media "enemies of the people", posted a video of himself "beating up" a CNN logo, had chants of "lock her up" at his rallies.

That Trump has no respect for free speech, and is willing to use the justice system for political purposes is not a surprise.
 
This article goes into a little more depth than so far posted in this thread about some of the allegations in the book, and also lists one that I've not yet seen mentioned - Trump deliberately defended Saudi Arabia over the murder of Khashoggi in order to create headlines to distract from a story about Ivanka using her personal email to conduct official business.
 

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