Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

No evil is worse than virtue signaling.

"I may be a Nazi, a puppy kicker, a baby puncher, a rapist, have committed Genocide on 3 occassions, leaves frozen products out on the shelf at the grocery store when I decided not to buy them, but I sir am no virtue signaler!"

When the ever loving **** did "Doing a good thing but not being humble about it or doing it just for the attention" become the worse possible thing a person can do?
 
Meadmaker said:
And they undoubtedly patted themselves on the back for being good people for doing it. Nothing says virtue like properly targeted vandalism.

ETA: I read the article. Despite them being good people doing great and virtuous deeds, they were reluctant to allow a news photographer to record their efforts.
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Yep as bad as those "sons of liberty" and their boston tea party. Those are the kind of people who really shouldn't have any monuments to them.
 
JoeMorgue said:
No evil is worse than virtue signaling.

"I may be a Nazi, a puppy kicker, a baby puncher, a rapist, have committed Genocide on 3 occassions, leaves frozen products out on the shelf at the grocery store when I decided not to buy them, but I sir am no virtue signaler!"

When the ever loving **** did "Doing a good thing but not being humble about it or doing it just for the attention" become the worse possible thing a person can do?
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To my way of thinking, tearing down statues is not a good thing. Some exceptions apply, but not many.
 
Meadmaker said:
To my way of thinking, tearing down statues is not a good thing. Some exceptions apply, but not many.
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1. No, I'm not looking at the squirrel. Your response had nothing to do with anything I said.

2. To my way of thinking putting up statues to glorify racists traitors is not a good thing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
1. No, I'm not looking at the squirrel. Your response had nothing to do with anything I said.
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"What you said", was incoherent. I was trying to make sense out of "Doing a good thing but not being humble about it", but perhaps I failed. I picked the only think I could think of that you might be calling "a good thing" that was also part of that thread of conversation. Maybe I got it wrong. Perhaps you can explain what "good thing" you meant.


2. To my way of thinking putting up statues to glorify racists traitors is not a good thing.
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Speaking of squirrels.

We were talking about the destruction of a statue of Columbus. I don't think he was a traitor.

Would you prefer to talk about the Confederate monuments? I think it's fair to call those people traitors. Fine, but this thread isn't exclusively about them. It's about "statues associated with racial injustice", including Colston and now Columbus.

Or is this yet another case of "anything I'm not interested in is a distraction".
 
JoeMorgue said:
No evil is worse than virtue signaling.

"I may be a Nazi, a puppy kicker, a baby puncher, a rapist, have committed Genocide on 3 occassions, leaves frozen products out on the shelf at the grocery store when I decided not to buy them, but I sir am no virtue signaler!"

When the ever loving **** did "Doing a good thing but not being humble about it or doing it just for the attention" become the worse possible thing a person can do?
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Not to argue the point, but in the interests of understanding:

No one thinks virtue signalling is the worst behavior, etc. Some of us view it as obnoxious and petty, and only serves as a cheap substitute for actual understanding, discussion, and any kind of forward motion. It gets called out in the spirit of "just stop, that's not helping" rather than "what great evil thou doest. It shows that the virtue signaller wants to toot his/her horn without offering anything constructive. It almost never, as you say, follows actually having done a good thing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
No evil is worse than virtue signaling.

"I may be a Nazi, a puppy kicker, a baby puncher, a rapist, have committed Genocide on 3 occassions, leaves frozen products out on the shelf at the grocery store when I decided not to buy them, but I sir am no virtue signaler!"

When the ever loving **** did "Doing a good thing but not being humble about it or doing it just for the attention" become the worse possible thing a person can do?
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I think it's even worse than that, at least as the conservative sorts seem to use the term, because it applies even to people who may believe in things, but who are not, according to the critics, doing what they would do if they believed in it (which they don't).

The implication is that if you advocate something that is not directly related to your immediate condition, you're virtue signalling or a social justice warrior and a hypocrite. I suspect that this is projection on the part of critics who simply cannot imagine standing for any principle bigger than their stomachs.

It's extreme and hyperbolic, but in these times it's hard not to look at what's happening and being said by our "fearless leader" and his minions, and not to reduce it to hatred of anything they don't see in the mirror.
 
bruto said:
I think it's even worse than that, at least as the conservative sorts seem to use the term, because it applies even to people who may believe in things, but who are not, according to the critics, doing what they would do if they believed in it (which they don't).

The implication is that if you advocate something that is not directly related to your immediate condition, you're virtue signalling or a social justice warrior and a hypocrite. I suspect that this is projection on the part of critics who simply cannot imagine standing for any principle bigger than their stomachs.

It's extreme and hyperbolic, but in these times it's hard not to look at what's happening and being said by our "fearless leader" and his minions, and not to reduce it to hatred of anything they don't see in the mirror.
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As my pappy always said: if you aren't out bombing abortion clinics then you are just virtue signaling.
 
bruto said:
I think it's even worse than that, at least as the conservative sorts seem to use the term, because it applies even to people who may believe in things, but who are not, according to the critics, doing what they would do if they believed in it (which they don't).

The implication is that if you advocate something that is not directly related to your immediate condition, you're virtue signalling or a social justice warrior and a hypocrite. I suspect that this is projection on the part of critics who simply cannot imagine standing for any principle bigger than their stomachs.

It's extreme and hyperbolic, but in these times it's hard not to look at what's happening and being said by our "fearless leader" and his minions, and not to reduce it to hatred of anything they don't see in the mirror.
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Yet the same people love to virtue signal about the plight of rural america.
 
A thought occurred to me, and I decided to google it. It turns out plenty of others had the same thought.

I learned that not only was Amerigo Vespucci a racist, but he was in fact a slave trader. God bless America?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Christopher Columbus statue in Boston was decapitated overnight.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/10/christopher-columbus-statue-beheaded-boston-massachusetts/
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He never even set foot in North America.

*Columbus didn't “discover” America — he never set foot in North America. During four separate trips that started with the one in 1492, Columbus landed on various Caribbean islands that are now the Bahamas as well as the island later called Hispaniola. He also explored the Central and South American coasts.
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Washington Post
 
One thing that makes me more hostile to some statues than others is not just the story behind the person on the statue, but the story behind the statues themselves.

Learning about when the statues to Lee and the other Confederates so honored were put up, and the people who put them up, I came to believe the statues themselves were a deliberate attempt to continue oppression of black people. That makes me much more sympathetic to their removal. I don't think that was the case with Colston, Washington, or Columbus.
 
Meadmaker said:
One thing that makes me more hostile to some statues than others is not just the story behind the person on the statue, but the story behind the statues themselves.

Learning about when the statues to Lee and the other Confederates so honored were put up, and the people who put them up, I came to believe the statues themselves were a deliberate attempt to continue oppression of black people. That makes me much more sympathetic to their removal. I don't think that was the case with Colston, Washington, or Columbus.
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So you stand with king Leopold I see. Totally wrong to remove his statue not matter how much of a monster he was.
 
JoeMorgue said:
No evil is worse than virtue signaling.

"I may be a Nazi, a puppy kicker, a baby puncher, a rapist, have committed Genocide on 3 occassions, leaves frozen products out on the shelf at the grocery store when I decided not to buy them, but I sir am no virtue signaler!"

When the ever loving **** did "Doing a good thing but not being humble about it or doing it just for the attention" become the worse possible thing a person can do?
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Especially funny in this thread when we are talking about people putting up a “humble” statue of someone to just get attention! ;)
 
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