Split Thread Tearing Down Statues Associated With Racial Injustice

Meadmaker said:
Because he could have spent that money on lavish parties and fancy clothes. (Of course, he probably did, but he could have spent all of it that way, and never founded multiple hospitals.)
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Easing his conscience.
 
Meadmaker said:
Because he could have spent that money on lavish parties and fancy clothes. (Of course, he probably did, but he could have spent all of it that way, and never founded multiple hospitals.)
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I'm sure all those slaves are looking down now and, like George Floyd, are appreciative of the employment numbers. :rolleyes:
 
I sincerely hope no one decides to desecrate the Eleanor Roosevelt memorial in Riverside Park. I respect her a great deal despite her flaws.
 
I'm getting too old for this, but if anyone wants to come to New Hampshire and take down a few Franklin Pierce statues, I certainly won't stand in your way.

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Franklin Pierce (November 23, 1804 – October 8, 1869) was the 14th president of the United States (1853–1857), a northern Democrat who saw the abolitionist movement as a fundamental threat to the unity of the nation. He alienated anti-slavery groups by supporting and signing the Kansas–Nebraska Act and enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act, yet he failed to stem conflict between North and South, setting the stage for Southern secession and the American Civil War.
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Farage commenting on the toppling of the statue of a slave trader

"A new form of the Taliban was born in the UK today. Unless we get moral leadership quickly our cities won't be worth living in."
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Farage commenting on the toppling of the statue of a slave trader

"A new form of the Taliban was born in the UK today. Unless we get moral leadership quickly our cities won't be worth living in."
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Maybe they can find the ringleaders of the group who hauled the slave trader's statue down and threw it into the dock. If that's not moral leadership, what is?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Farage commenting on the toppling of the statue of a slave trader

"A new form of the Taliban was born in the UK today. Unless we get moral leadership quickly our cities won't be worth living in."
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Calm down, Nigel. I heard the statue had underlying health problems.
 
Careful people. We're getting close to the old Confederate Apologist "Oh so I guess we have to tear statues of Washington and Jefferson now too, since they owned slaves."

I think for now we can just go "Okay racists traitors who fought a literally war against our country for the sole reason of keeping slaves, their statues can go" and not jump at the first chance to start splitting hairs.

If owning slaves or protecting the institution of slavery was the only reason you're remembered, yeah you can go. But let's not start already applying the next layer.

Yeah everyone born before... like 1980 or so isn't woke enough. We know. How hard do you really want to pull at that thread?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Careful people. We're getting close to the old Confederate Apologist "Oh so I guess we have to tear statues of Washington and Jefferson now too, since they owned slaves."

I think for now we can just go "Okay racists traitors who fought a literally war against our country for the sole reason of keeping slaves, their statues can go" and not jump at the first chance to start splitting hairs.

If owning slaves or protecting the institution of slavery was the only reason you're remembered, yeah you can go. But let's not start already applying the next layer.
Yeah everyone born before... like 1980 or so isn't woke enough. We know. How hard do you really want to pull at that thread?
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This subject at hand was a British guy who had a statue commemorating him because he founded a hospital, in front of which the statue was placed. He made his money on the slave trade, approximately 200 years prior to the placement of the statue.

The guy was dead before there was a United States of America, much less a Confederate States of America.

So, should he have a statue these days? Going by the hilited section of your post, Edward Colston was remembered for founding a hospital that bears his name (or did at the time the statue was placed. I think it was since renamed) , not for owning slaves or protecting the institution of slavery, so, if I've understood your post correctly, you would be on the side of "Don't dump his statue in the ocean".

Too late. They already did.

For what it's worth, the sentiment you expressed in that hilited portion is something I agree with. Those people whose only reason to be remembered was slavery, or being a guy like Leopold II, shouldn't be revered.
 
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Colston was a philanthropist, his name is all over Bristol. The city's concert hall is called Colston Hall, though it's about to be renamed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colston_Hall

After upcoming renovations Colston Hall will open with a new name. The change reflects concerns over the association of Colston with the slave trade. The new name is yet to be decided, but as part of fundraising plans it is hoped to be in recognition of a commercial partner.
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ETA: it seems it was actually a school Colston originally founded on that site.

In 1708, Colston established the Colston Boys' School in this building in order to educate the poor. It was managed by the Society of Merchant Venturers.[9] Colston adhered to a strict moral and religious code which was enforced in the school.[7] After his death in 1721, the school continued at the Great Hall until 1857, when it moved to Stapleton.[6]
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The highlighted seems particularly ... I don't think 'ironic' really covers it.
 
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