Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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timhau said:
Yeah, as long as you don't kneel before a football game.
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Never mind that.

The protestors in Lafayette last evening were exercising their rights to peaceful protest and Trump sicced law enforcement on them so that he could go on a walking photo op. They cleared the park without warning (far as I can tell) using tear gas, rubber bullets and flash bangs for a thoroughly optional stroll to a church for a photo op.

He literally attacked US citizens in the midst of a constitutionally protected activity for this.

This is among his worst acts as president in my opinion. I keep thinking that he's done so much harm, I must be wrong. There must be something that's worse. But I don't think so. Turning (non-lethal) weapons on the citizens so that he can have a photo op really is ******* horrible. It hits me on a gut level.

ETA: I suppose I missed an important feature of the photo op. After clearing the protestors by turning weapons on them (and beating them, according to reason.com), he posed with a Bible in front of a church. The religious connotations were startling. Yes, I know that many here will dispute whether Christianity has a history as a religion of peace, but regardless this is how it is portrayed. He cleared the protestors so he could wrap himself in the clothing of a religious man in order to sell himself to his delusional voters.
 
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US Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer have called Donald Trump "cowardly, weak and dangerous" for his handling of the widespread protests over the death of George Floyd.

Across our country, Americans are protesting for an end to the pattern of racial injustice and brutality we saw most recently in the murder of George Floyd.
Yet, at a time when our country cries out for unification, this president is ripping it apart. Tear-gassing peaceful protesters without provocation just so that the president could pose for photos outside a church dishonours every value that faith teaches us.
At this challenging time, our nation needs real leadership. The president’s continued fanning of the flames of discord, bigotry and violence is cowardly, weak and dangerous.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-52876499
 
phiwum said:
Never mind that.

The protestors in Lafayette last evening were exercising their rights to peaceful protest and Trump sicced law enforcement on them so that he could go on a walking photo op. They cleared the park without warning (far as I can tell) using tear gas, rubber bullets and flash bangs for a thoroughly optional stroll to a church for a photo op.

He literally attacked US citizens in the midst of a constitutionally protected activity for this.

This is among his worst acts as president in my opinion. I keep thinking that he's done so much harm, I must be wrong. There must be something that's worse. But I don't think so. Turning (non-lethal) weapons on the citizens so that he can have a photo op really is ******* horrible. It hits me on a gut level.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...d-trump-governors-new-york/12309858#Arlington


He put on all his most serious faces.
 
Segnosaur said:
That might actually be worse for Trump.

Even though trump has been incompetent in dealing with Covid19, it hasn't greatly affected his popularity ratings. Plus, it is easier to find excuses... It's a foreign virus, other countries are affected, etc. And he can always point to things like relief payments to claim "I am doing something" (even if what he is doing isn't enough, or if most of the work was done by congress.)

On the other hand, Trump's popularity seemed to be at its lowest around the charlottesville protests. (The racial conflict is a uniquely American issue, so trump can't blame it on foreigners, and unlike Covid19 I don't thing there is anything positive he can claim credit for.
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You seem to have the impression that what President Trump can blame on foreigners and what President Trump can take credit for are determined by facts and logic. They are not.

Tomorrow there could be an earthquake in California or a volcano in Alaska and Trump would find a way to blame it on foreigners. People who recognize Trump as a con artist with narcissism problems will say “placing blame on foreigners for either of those things is irrational and unsupported by evidence.” People who see him as the last line of defense between the America that they love and total anarchy will say “placing blame on foreigners is common sense.“ People who are hyper-partisan but don’t like Trump will say “placing blame on foreigners is a bit of a stretch if not downright wacky, but what are we going to do, vote for the corrupt, murderous child-traffickers who run the Democratic Party?”

In a week or two trump will probably welcome it if they talked about the pandemic, to make people forget how racist he is
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Why would he want to make people forget how racist he is?
Do you really think there are a significant number of people in swing states who are going to say “I’m glad that he passed tax cuts, built a wall, stood up to NATO, pointed out the European no-go zones, and nominated pro-right-wing judges, but I’m not going to vote for him because being racist is so far over the line that I cannot not support a racist candidate who ticks every other box on my list of desirable presidential traits”?

Also, why would Trump be bothered by people talking about the pandemic? He believes it is almost over and that his work saved the country from one or two million deaths. Hell, there are probably White House staffers pulling their hair out as the try to convince him to not use his pandemic response as a plank in the re-election platform.
 
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timhau said:
Yeah, as long as you don't kneel before a football game.
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These people doing an about face to condemn the riots and suddenly extolling the virtues of peaceful protest after spending the last 3-4 years dragging Colin Kaepernicks name through mud, glass and fire disgust me.
 
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Juniversal said:
These people doing an about face to condemn the riots and suddenly extolling the virtues of peaceful protest after spending the last 3-4 years dragging Colin Kaepernicks name through mud, glass and fire disgust me.
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That doesn't bother me so much.

There is no hypocrisy in criticizing someone's protest. In particular, I can see the point that a sporting event isn't the right place to inject political discourse. I disagree and think that Kaepernick's protest was respectful and reasonable, but I think that you can support the right to protest in the streets and not on the job.

Now, support the right to peaceful protest while supporting Trump's clearing of a protest for a photo op is another matter.
 
phiwum said:
That doesn't bother me so much.

There is no hypocrisy in criticizing someone's protest. In particular, I can see the point that a sporting event isn't the right place to inject political discourse. I disagree and think that Kaepernick's protest was respectful and reasonable, but I think that you can support the right to protest in the streets and not on the job.
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So it was the wrong sort of peaceful protest?

Isn't that always the excuse?
 
phiwum said:
That doesn't bother me so much.

There is no hypocrisy in criticizing someone's protest. In particular, I can see the point that a sporting event isn't the right place to inject political discourse. I disagree and think that Kaepernick's protest was respectful and reasonable, but I think that you can support the right to protest in the streets and not on the job.

Now, support the right to peaceful protest while supporting Trump's clearing of a protest for a photo op is another matter.
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Kneeling quietly is a completely passive and unobtrusive gesture. It's completely symbolic. My ire is directed at those specifically calling for peaceful protest after railroading Kaepernick for years.

I've never been moved by the detractors. Using his platform in that way did more to bring light to the issue then him quietly speaking during a post game interview.
 
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Meadmaker said:
...Trump is accused of all of those daily here and throughout the land by his enemies, but those things are not why he is deservedly hated, why he ought to be hated by more. Disregarding all of those things, he is, after all of that, a loathsome creature...
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The irony is, the reasons you mention that make trump an object of scorn are the very traits his supporters like. One supporter said he 'likes' the way trump lies all the time because 'he gets away with it.' Others say they like him because he's not 'politically correct.' He's bombastic and says 'whatever he thinks.' Does whatever he feels like doing because he gets away with it. One supporter said:
According to an affidavit, when 49-year-old Bruce Michael Alexander was arrested in Albuquerque on an abusive sexual contact charge, he told authorities that ‘the president of the United States says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts.” Time magazine
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A Republican official in tony Greenwich Connecticut was arrested right after the election in 2016 for groping a staffer.

Chris von Keyserling, 71, a Greenwich Representative Town Meeting board member was arrested last week for groping a female employee’s genitals. Keyserling had a political argument with her in a hallway and then told her, “I love this new world, I no longer have to be politically correct.” As she walked away, he allegedly reached from behind and pinched her crotch. Good.is dot com
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This is why trump is so divisive. He rewrites the rules on what is acceptable behavior and his supporters love it. They see him turning back the clock to an earlier time, when society was a patriarchal society. My feeling is, that's the real meaning of MAGA. Pre-civil rights America. Pre-womens' rights America. Pre-gay rights America. trump supporters believe that's when America was great -- before we got all politically correct and namby-pamby -- and trump does too.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
So it was the wrong sort of peaceful protest?

Isn't that always the excuse?
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Yep.. remember in his day Martin Luther King was viewed contemptuously as a rabble rouser by many. Rosa Parks could've just sat on the front of the bus and protested on the street instead of breaking the law amirite??
 
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