Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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The truth about voter fraud: There isn't any.

Richard L. Hasen, an elections expert at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law, said problems with all-mail voting are “extremely rare in the five states that rely primarily on vote-by-mail, including the heavily Republican state of Utah.”
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...onans-are-morons/ar-BB14I7Bj?ocid=mailsignout

....fraud in mail voting remains extremely rare, and none of the states that hold their elections primarily by mail have had voter fraud scandals since implementing the systems.
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https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/10-voter-fraud-lies-debunked
 
Trump Tweets

Thank you to our GREAT Republican Congressmen & Congresswomen on your incredibly important blockage last night of a FISA Bill that would just perpetuate the abuse that produced the Greatest Political Crime In the History of the U.S., the Russian Witch-Hunt. Fantastic Job!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Thank you to our GREAT Republican Congressmen & Congresswomen on your incredibly important blockage last night of a FISA Bill that would just perpetuate the abuse that produced the Greatest Political Crime In the History of the U.S., the Russian Witch-Hunt. Fantastic Job!
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Is a Trump to English translation available ?
 
C_Felix said:
One item I need to remind myself of; and if I'm posting on my facebook account...

I do not call them "tweets." Twitter is the medium.

They are "Official statements from the office of the President of the United States."

I do my best not to write, "Trump tweeted and there was a video from another twitter account included. In this video someone says, 'The only democrat is a good democrat.'"

I do my to remember to write, "In an official statement from the office of the President of the United States, there was a video from another twitter account included. In this video someone says, 'The only democrat is a good democrat.'"

To me, it changes the narrative.
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there is a separate twitter account for the President
 
shemp said:
What, a tiny handful? Compared to those who sit by and say nothing, or those who retweet in support of his lie?
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See Susan Collins?

shemp said:
I've tried to convince myself that Trump isn't going to try to pull off a coup if he loses in November, but the evidence is mounting. The election is already "rigged." Voter fraud is already "rampant." Vote by mail is a plot to overthrow him.

When he loses, he may very well try to pull off a coup. And the Republican Senate doesn't have to actively participate. They can just sit back and do nothing. If the coup succeeds, they can reap the rewards. If it fails, they can't be blamed.

I hope this year doesn't turn out to be the end of democracy in the U.S., but the likelihood of it is increasing.
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The likelihood's been disturbingly high for quite a while, really, especially given the Mueller Report. Far from certain, of course, but ugh. The real question then becomes... what, exactly, can we reasonably do to prepare for such a scenario?
 
Trump got fact checked and it took less than 24 hours to get an executive order.
A pandemic sweeps the world and he does nothing for 3 months.
 
I don't see how the President has the freedom of speech on the same level as everybody else; Especially since he is using his twitter as a method of government communication as he does when he says twitter is "stifling free speech and I, as President, will not allow it to happen".
Trump is the government entity and can't censor twitter or stop them since they gave him the platform. Trump made his tweets, twitter did not censor those but only added a fact check(That is twitter's Free Speech)because they were concerned about misinformation. So Trump, as the government entity, cannot stop the fact checking of twitter because, if he tries, he violates the 1st Amendment.
It's pathetic that the President of the USA does not now the most cited Amendment of the the Constitution; A document that he swore an oath to protect & defend as President.
 
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DetectedMotion said:
It's pathetic that the President of the USA does not now the most cited Amendment of the the Constitution; A document that he swore an oath to protect & defend as President.
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Does not know? Does not care would likely be much more accurate. Trump has demonstrated that he doesn't care about the law or the Constitution pretty consistently and that he's an unrepentant liar who will happily lie about pretty much anything. Thus, does not know is a dangerous interpretation that misses the actual danger and offers the false solution of "if he were just informed of his error, he would change his ways." No, he wouldn't. Changing his ways would fairly certainly require a much more self-interest approach to convincing him.
 
SezMe said:
You're right. All the polls showing that 40% or more or the electorate are going to vote for Trump in November. They really don't support him though. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I don’t think there are many dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporters in this forum. There are many who voted for him because of reasons not having to do with Trump himself.

As for the real world, yup...there are a lot of dummies in the electorate. But even then, I don’t think you can say that 40% of the electorate are “Trump supporters.” They are GOP supporters, perhaps. Maybe they are “we want X policies implemented/not implemented and Trump is the candidate most likely to achieve that, even though I don’t like him,” voters.

I guess you could call anyone who votes for him a supporter, but there’s a connotation to “Trump supporter,” that I don’t think is warranted in most cases where it is applied.

I’ve been called a Trump supporter even though I didn’t even vote for the guy, for example.
 
newyorkguy said:
Some media analysts are thinking this is a fight Twitter can't win. From CNN:


As for the 'tweets' that started all of this, accusing Joe Scarborough of a murder without any evidence, even some Republicans are troubled by that. From Politico:


We have a president who is now fighting over his 'right' to spread lies and misinformation on social media. It's really sickening. :(
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It is, but he also seems to be loosing friends at a steadily increasing rate. And I don't think his personality will enable him to back down to avoid that.

Hans
 
xjx388 said:
I don’t think there are many dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporters in this forum. There are many who voted for him because of reasons not having to do with Trump himself.

As for the real world, yup...there are a lot of dummies in the electorate. But even then, I don’t think you can say that 40% of the electorate are “Trump supporters.” They are GOP supporters, perhaps. Maybe they are “we want X policies implemented/not implemented and Trump is the candidate most likely to achieve that, even though I don’t like him,” voters.

I guess you could call anyone who votes for him a supporter, but there’s a connotation to “Trump supporter,” that I don’t think is warranted in most cases where it is applied.

I’ve been called a Trump supporter even though I didn’t even vote for the guy, for example.
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He gets 40%+ approval.i think it's reasonable to say that 40% are supporters.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
There is, but it was clarified very early in Trump's presidency that all tweets on his personal account should be considered official presidential statements.
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Is this true? I've been trying to get clarity on this.

Specifically, Trump's been very comfortable deleting embarrassing tweets. Deleting official comms would be "But Her Emails" - I suspect the administration is adamant that this account contains personal tweets by a private citizen named Donald Trump, not government communications of somebody called The President Of The United States.
 
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