Biden for President?

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Sideroxylon said:
“Critical examination” by users in this thread and Twitter outsourcing goes straight in the trash. Most of it is patently absurd. Probably never going to be able to know if Biden sexually assaulted Reade or not. We do need to listen to victims. We don’t need to trash notions of their credibility so absurdly.
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As this thread is unlikely to be called as evidence or cited for reference by any party involved in any investigation or legal proceedings arising from this affair, it seems unnecessary to state that nothing said here carries actual weight or matters in the slightest. However if you're going to say it you should at least admit it applies equally to your own remarks, not just the remarks of people disagreeing with you.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Talk about trying to score points. Calling an investigation of the woman's credibility "doxxing" was about trying to score points.

His message was nothing new or astounding. It was the same old **** being posted over and over here, how dare we look at Reade's this or that.

Fine. What are we supposedly allowed to look at?

Here, let me get you started:
There is a suspiciously linked reason why she was fired. That is not about 'doxxing' her financial troubles.
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Depends who you ask. Biden says you're supposed to look at whatever the NYT says. The NYT says you're supposed to look at whatever the DNC says. Presumably the DNC says you need to go about doxxing Reade ASAP.
 
Stacyhs said:
What next? Are going to threaten to take your ball and go home?

Instead, why not address some of the points made in my posts that you keep ignoring? Here. I'll make it easy for you:
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Easy enough:
1. How do you explain Reade charging her personal vet bills to the horse rescue...TWICE? Then saying publicly she'd pay them. But didn't?
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Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.

2. How do you explain Reade praising Biden for his work on sexual harassment/assault?
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Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.

3. How do you explain three staffers denying Reade ever approached them about any harassment whatsoever?
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Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.

4. How do you explain choosing to get a horse instead of paying her car loan?
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Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.

5. How do you explain getting someone else to start a GoFundMe to help her get away from her abusive husband when he'd divorced her years ago?
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Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.

Go on. Stop avoiding answering these questions.
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Stop avoiding the rape accusation.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Enthusiastic user and fan of irony here. No, it isn’t.

Those questions are simply very silly and well beyond a casual nit-picking exercise. That stuff needs multiple doses of a school grade medicated shampoo.
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So your pedantry/cherry picking is valid, mine isn't? :rolleyes:
 
TragicMonkey said:
As this thread is unlikely to be called as evidence or cited for reference by any party involved in any investigation or legal proceedings arising from this affair, it seems unnecessary to state that nothing said here carries actual weight or matters in the slightest. However if you're going to say it you should at least admit it applies equally to your own remarks, not just the remarks of people disagreeing with you.
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Yes, entirely unnecessary.

My comments should be understood in their original context of demands that I run around a course of silly questions about speculative muck raking on Tara Reade. I am not about to dive down such an endless rabbit hole.
 
theprestige said:
Depends who you ask. Biden says you're supposed to look at whatever the NYT says. The NYT says you're supposed to look at whatever the DNC says. Presumably the DNC says you need to go about doxxing Reade ASAP.
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That's a nothing-burger answer, or as some people call it, a dodge.
 
Reade's story changed so much that it's very hard to believe it's credible. It's not just details that changed, which is normal for any account, but the entire story.

Also, her praise of Putin makes her suspect.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Reade's story changed so much that it's very hard to believe it's credible. It's not just details that changed, which is normal for any account, but the entire story.

Also, her praise of Putin makes her suspect.
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And this is the low evidence threshold that is sufficient for some to change their vote. It works both ways of course. A false allegation would cast sufficient doubt to tarnish Biden in the eyes of some.

How are we to take the untextualised claim without direct quote that she “praised Putin”? What conclusion are we being asked to make? Its a blank check for anything from acting maliciously on her own initiative to a Russian stooge in a sequel to 2016.
 
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theprestige said:
Easy enough:

Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.
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When there is no evidence whatsoever to support her rape allegation, then it hinges entirely on her reputation for veracity, which is challenged by multiple lies, misrepresentations, frauds and vague, changing recollections.
 
Sideroxylon said:
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How are we to take the untextualised claim without direct quote that she “praised Putin”? What conclusion are we being asked to make? Its a blank check for anything from acting maliciously on her own initiative to a Russian stooge in a sequel to 2016.
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Well, there's this:
President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women. Especially since the bloated, American President is so negative, denigrating and dismissive of anyone but himself as he stumbles even playing golf (which is not a real sport anyway but a past time, sorry golfers).

President Putin has taken his nation and his people towards new horizons of developing prosperity with education, science, technology and innovation. While in America, news of more jobs lost, punishing tariffs and ignorant, environmental policies abound. Sanctions mount and scandals alight the media.
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https://web.archive.org/web/2019040...democrat-supports-vladimir-putin-f54ca2a3a405
 
Stacyhs said:
What next? Are going to threaten to take your ball and go home?

Instead, why not address some of the points made in my posts that you keep ignoring? Here. I'll make it easy for you:

1. How do you explain Reade charging her personal vet bills to the horse rescue...TWICE? Then saying publicly she'd pay them. But didn't?

2. How do you explain Reade praising Biden for his work on sexual harassment/assault?

3. How do you explain three staffers denying Reade ever approached them about any harassment whatsoever?

4. How do you explain choosing to get a horse instead of paying her car loan?

5. How do you explain getting someone else to start a GoFundMe to help her get away from her abusive husband when he'd divorced her years ago?

Go on. Stop avoiding answering these questions.
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Sideroxylon said:
Four is the most hilariously irrelevant. But also the most classist.
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Once again failing to answer direct questions and falling back on your "classist" excuse. Obviously, you can't logically explain any of them without acknowledging that Reade has problems which affect her credibility.

I'd really love to hear your logic how choosing to get a horse instead of making your car payments is "classist".

 
Stacyhs said:
Once again failing to answer direct questions and falling back on your "classist" excuse. Obviously, you can't logically explain any of them without acknowledging that Reade has problems which affect her credibility.

I'd really love to hear your logic how choosing to get a horse instead of making your car payments is "classist".
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That would be an interesting attempt at rhetoric.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Enthusiastic user and fan of irony here. No, it isn’t.

Those questions are simply very silly and well beyond a casual nit-picking exercise. That stuff needs multiple doses of a school grade medicated shampoo.
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Your ability to swerve and avoid the relevant issues like Michael Schumacher on the Nürburgring and instead focus on what you obviously think are clever quips is truly amazing.
 
Sideroxylon said:
I find it fascinating that people think this behaviour should affect the credibility of someone’s sexual assault claims.
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Then perhaps you should talk to lawyers who say, barring any witnesses or forensic/physical evidence, an accuser's credibility is the most important thing. I've provided citations for this before....which you seem to have just ignored. Along with questions you've been asked to address repeatedly.
 
Stacyhs said:
Your ability to swerve and avoid the relevant issues like Michael Schumacher on the Nürburgring and instead focus on what you obviously think are clever quips is truly amazing.
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There is a weird correlation with my lack of emotional investment in your pointless sleuthing.
 
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