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CORed said:
It's conceivable that racism wasn't the primary motivation. However, I think there was most likely racism involved in that they assumed Arbery was up to no good primarily because he was black.
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I think one'd be hard pushed, in context, to argue against that.
 
> have group of people in your society with wild level of criminality
> get upset with other groups for noticing this
 
Thermal said:
The whole 'string of burglaries' is likely a euphemism for 'Travis had his his 9mm stolen'.
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I hear there are several philosophy professors copying that as a perfect example of poisoning the well fallacy and victim blaming all in one.

Suggest they feared the guy might have been armed.

Perfect.

Get let off on stand your ground.

JoeMorgue said:
Even for racist apologetics that's just embarassing.
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Like their leader in the White House, nothing is ever embarrassing - no lie, no stupidity, no proven to be false narratives, no logical fallacy is ever so great that it pierces the armour they've built around themselves.
 
The Atheist said:
I hear there are several philosophy professors copying that as a perfect example of poisoning the well fallacy and victim blaming all in one.

Suggest they feared the guy might have been armed.

Perfect.

Get let off on stand your ground.



Like their leader in the White House, nothing is ever embarrassing - no lie, no stupidity, no proven to be false narratives, no logical fallacy is ever so great that it pierces the armour they've built around themselves.
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Absolutely the most out in left field field interpretation imaginable.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Here is the image I saw - and the person linking it claimed this was from "the local NBC affiliate" - I remember now, I was unsuccessful finding the original website / link for this a few days ago.
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Looks suspiciously fake. Any time the text is made into an image like that and it is unsourced, I get a little skeptical. I just googled the exact phrase in yellow in double quotes and got no results.

Skeptic Tank said:
Is everyone willing to agree that if Ahmaud was the same individual visiting that construction site in the middle of the night on several previous occasions, it looks pretty decisively like he was there for nefarious purposes?
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Seems more likely, but what sort of nefarious purposes? We still haven't heard anything was stolen from the site, have we? And if he was planning to steal wouldn't you think he would at least have a backpack? Too many unknowns.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Looks suspiciously fake. Any time the text is made into an image like that and it is unsourced, I get a little skeptical. I just googled the exact phrase in yellow in double quotes and got no results.
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Possible. This is why I wish Cuomo had asked English "had anything ever gone missing from that site?" and "what led you to decide to install security cameras?"

I personally would be surprised if the image is just an outright fabrication. I bet it comes from a video.

Part of why I think that is that I remember things which came out VERY early on in the Trayvon thing, in particular an interview with his mom, which simply disappeared shortly thereafter and I could never find them again.

There is an early stage in all of these where things come out that then parties think "you know what? I actually would prefer to keep that in my vest" or people get scared, news sites maybe get asked to amend something by a lawyer, etc.

I do believe tidbits come out in the early stages and then they get confirmed a year later in trial. We shall see.

I do know that we have the fishing gear thing confirmed in the sense that it went missing. Now, English doesn't want to say "it went missing while the boat was at that site" - and that's understandable, because he doesn't know that for a certainty, but it seems the most likely place for it to have happened.

Someone in this thread earlier said it was unusual for there to be security cameras in an unfinished house. Not sure if that's true, but I think English had reasons to install them and I think something went missing there.
 
bluesjnr said:
I, largely, agree with you but you seem to be making the case that the roadblock was set up primarily as a method to execute Arbery with malice aforethought.

I asked the question earlier and don't think you responded? I'd appreciate it if you might consider doing so.

Do you think Arbery was going to be shot, even if he hadn't have made an attempt to wrest the shot gun from McMichael?
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That has nothing to do with his murder.
 
Meadmaker said:
The image is from the surveillance video.

The text accompanying it is made up.
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It would seem strange to me for some person out there to just be like "you know what? I think I'll straight up fabricate something about copper being stolen"

Possible? Sure... just seems odd. I think it's more likely that they transcribed a video or broadcast.

Let's just drop it until it gets confirmed later, if it does. This is getting tiresome.

If it makes people happy, I am prepared to say for the time being: WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF COPPER THEFT!

In fact, I firmly believe Mr. Arbery was making his night time visits to the site specifically to make sure nobody else was stealing anything!
 
"Numerous videos" over the last several months and not a single one ever showing him removing anything from the place. But of course this isn't seen as exonerating by the usual suspects.

Maybe he was disabling the cameras and then stealing things, and then re-enabling them, and then walking in front of them for no particular reason.
 
Emily's Cat said:
The killing stands regardless of whether racial bias was a motivator, sure. On the other hand, I'm inclined to think that the DA sweeping it under the rug and not even performing a cursory investigation of what was clearly an illegal act by the McMichaelses... I think race is likely a considerable factor in that decision.
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I think that is down to the old boys network. When you start looking for articles about the area this area’s police and prosecutors you start to find many issues. This article on this particular murder mentions some of the past issues https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/us/glynn-county-police-ahmaud-arbery.html
 
CORed said:
It's conceivable that racism wasn't the primary motivation. However, I think there was most likely racism involved in that they assumed Arbery was up to no good primarily because he was black.
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But that does mean racism was the primary motivation, as we know all the other reasons they gave were lies, so what else are we left with, that it was because he was male?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Evidence?

It could have been some person on reddit or 4chan.
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All of my research brings me to "C00l Elephante" on twitter. Nowhere else. And as DA already pointed out, the text and the image are straight out of an NBC affiliate article... except for the part about the copper piping. After digging through pages and pages of google, the source for the claim of copper pipes having been stolen originates with this guy on Twitter.

And if you read through his twitter, it seems pretty apparent to me that the guy is racist. I'm not usually prone to making accusations of racism, I tend to lean more toward implicit racial bias. But this guy? This guy seems racist.
 
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