Jogging in Georgia while black.

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Coroners do.

Eta: hard to change 'shotgun blast at point blank range resulting in dozens of pellets in a tight cluster' to 'one bullet in the chest'
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Mainstream reporting about firearms details is notoriously bad.

It's possible the shotgun was loaded with slugs, but speculating based on the bad verbiage of CNN is probably a waste of time.

Maybe there's a link to the autopsy report somewhere?



Ninja'd.
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Possible slugs, yes, if small gauge. A 12 would have dropped him on the spot with a massive exit wound, pretty sure. Have been wondering why they hadn't released the autopsy sooner.
 
Thermal said:
I thought that had universal usage? No?

Withdrawn, then, if it is some kind of dog whistle. The point stands: the Reverend showed he lived in a neighborhood where people recognized him, and if a tv was reported stolen, he would be positively identified. A proper stunt should have been minimally in an area he was unknown in.

He proved that his own neighbors might not accost the local pastor who runs on their street everyday, while oddly carrying a flat screen. Not quite the Twitter narrative though, was it?
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Yes, jogging down the street where you are recognized will certainly be some kind of protection. If only Arbery was recognized where he ran as well. Hey, wait, according to this poster:

Thermal said:
The property owner, English, seemed pretty chill. Other neighbors said they recognized Arbery as a regular jogger on the street. As near as I can tell, there are the McMichaels and Roddy who are the problems. Roddy has been cooperating with police and AFAIK, no one is calling for his head. So a show of force, while well deserved, is being directed to the wrong people.

Marching on the DA's offics while open carrying, or in front of his house...now we're talking.
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wareyin said:
Yes, jogging down the street where you are recognized will certainly be some kind of protection. If only Arbery was recognized where he ran as well. Hey, wait, according to this poster:
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Exactly. And those people didn't go chase him down with guns, did they?

Weakest gotchas I've ever seen ITT
 
JoeMorgue said:
I used the same term the article did. It did not clarify type/caliber/etc.

I'm assuming "shot pellet."
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I know you were quoting. But I think you know firearms, too. What I'm wondering is if the ex-cop actually got a shot in with the .357, and our lovely investigators swept that under the rug. Conveiniently.

Eta: really want to know what kind of shotgun that was
 
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Thermal said:
Exactly. And those people didn't go chase him down with guns, did they?
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Are you claiming that those who recognized the pastor didn't chase him with guns? Or that the McMichaels and other neighbors didn't recognize Arbrey like they claimed he had?

That was the pastor's point, that you apparently missed. The difference was that even while acting far more suspicious, the white guy got the benefit of the doubt while the black guy got chased down and shot.
 
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wareyin said:
Are you claiming that those who recognized the pastor didn't chase him with guns? Or that the McMichaels and other neighbors didn't recognize Arbrey like they claimed he had?

That was the pastor's point, that you apparently missed. The difference was that even while acting far more suspicious, the white guy got the benefit of the doubt while the black guy got chased down and shot.
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Incredible.
 
Thermal said:
Possible slugs, yes, if small gauge. A 12 would have dropped him on the spot with a massive exit wound, pretty sure. Have been wondering why they hadn't released the autopsy sooner.
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Seems to me he went down pretty fast after being shot. Shotgun slugs are pretty deadly, but even non-survivable wounds are not reliably instant stoppers.

Short of catastrophic injury to the heart or brain, a fatal wound is not guaranteed to stop someone dead in their tracks.

How much time passes between the final shot and Arbery going down? not much.
 
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wareyin said:
Are you claiming that those who recognized the pastor didn't chase him with guns? Or that the McMichaels and other neighbors didn't recognize Arbrey like they claimed he had?

That was the pastor's point, that you apparently missed. The difference was that even while acting far more suspicious, the white guy got the benefit of the doubt while the black guy got chased down and shot.
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Don't start. Enough posters lying in the thread.

The people who claimed to recognize Arbery as a regular runner apparently did not accost him, just as the pastors neighbors did not accost the pastor.

The McMichaels and maybe Roddy were the bad actors here. And the DA/investigators, who are even worse. The big societal comment I see in this story is carrying/vigilantis, corrupt good ol' boys, and a heaping side of cowardice and stupidity, not racism.
 
For those who contend he would have been better off with a gun and could have shot them, I present this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...lice-shooting-louisville-woman-her-apartment/

Summary: Police serve a "no announce" search warrant on an apartment for drugs, despite the fact that the guy they were searching for was 1) not actually staying at the apartment, and 2) already in custody.

So the police enter the place unannounced. A guy is asleep, wakes up, grabs a gun and fires to protect himself against the intruders. Somehow, the guy's girlfriend gets shot 8 times and is killed. The guy is arrested for attempted murder of the police.

It's probably worth another thread where all the usual apologists can tell us how wrong the victims are (btw, three guesses on their race).

The 2A is supposed to be precious because it is supposed to protect the citizens against the tyranny of the State. Except, of course, when it is used in that way by black people.
 
pgwenthold said:
For those who contend he would have been better off with a gun and could have shot them, I present this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...lice-shooting-louisville-woman-her-apartment/

Summary: Police serve a "no announce" search warrant on an apartment for drugs, despite the fact that the guy they were searching for was 1) not actually staying at the apartment, and 2) already in custody.

So the police enter the place unannounced. A guy is asleep, wakes up, grabs a gun and fires to protect himself against the intruders. Somehow, the guy's girlfriend gets shot 8 times and is killed. The guy is arrested for attempted murder of the police.

It's probably worth another thread where all the usual apologists can tell us how wrong the victims are (btw, three guesses on their race).

The 2A is supposed to be precious because it is supposed to protect the citizens against the tyranny of the State. Except, of course, when it is used in that way by black people.
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If you're gonna fight, it's better to have a gun.

Arbery might be alive if he surrendered to the unlawful demands of his attackers. He might be alive if he had his own gun and shot them both.

We know he's dead when he tried to fight unarmed.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Seems to me he went down pretty fast after being shot. Shotgun slugs are pretty deadly, but even non-survivable wounds are not reliably instant stoppers.

Short of catastrophic injury to the heart or brain, a fatal wound is not guaranteed to stop someone dead in their tracks.

How much time passes between the final shot and Arbery going down? not much.
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Yeah, I'm going by memory of shooting 12 GA slugs. I certainly do recall an awesome amount of punch, though. Although I never shot at point blank range. Its not like a piercing handgun or rifle round, to say the least
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
If you're gonna fight, it's better to have a gun.

Arbery might be alive if he surrendered to the unlawful demands of his attackers. He might be alive if he had his own gun and shot them both.

We know he's dead when he tried to fight unarmed.
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Amen. There's a time to throw down and a time to run like hell to stay alive. Confronting Deliverance psychos is one of those 'put as much asphalt as you can between you' moments
 
Thermal said:
The McMichaels and maybe Roddy were the bad actors here. And the DA/investigators, who are even worse. The big societal comment I see in this story is carrying/vigilantis, corrupt good ol' boys, and a heaping side of cowardice and stupidity, not racism.
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On the 911 call the only descriptive term they used to describe Aberny was "Black." Not tall, short, fat, skinny... black. That's where they mind went and were it was at when they gunned him down in broad daylight with no fear of reprisal.

I get it. You, for some mind boggling reason, hate to actually call anything racism. I don't know if your just another person who has that "The liberals play the race card too much so I'll just deny all the time to balance it out" fetish or what.
 
Yeah we've already been told how Aberey is still alive in all the alternative timelines where he did this or didn't do this.

They were in a truck. If he had ran... they would have just chased him down. The confrontation was inevitable. It was going to happen. Dude couldn't run forever.
 
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