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The original video seems to have been made in portrait mode, so it could actually be of higher resolution than what I got from youtube.

I originally thought Travis was indeed raising the gun to aim at Ahmaud, but now I'm not so sure. Is what I thought was an arm just light from trees behind his head? Is what seems to be the barrel actually raised above his shoulder?

I hope there is a higher resolution copy somewhere. ...then again, I didn't use the highest resolution available because my software in this version of Linux couldn't work with it. I'd have to reboot into another version to try again.
 
The alleged "hammer"?

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I downloaded your video clip and set it to keep looping, and I agree it looks like he gets his shotgun out and ready. Though I think it may have been in this position:

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Rather than pointed directly at Ahmaud.

Keep in mind though, this is all in the context of several months of this criminal repeatedly coming and victimizing this same small area. They had him on video back to October, and knew he'd been stealing prior to that too because the cameras were gotten in RESPONSE to his thieving in that house and elsewhere. He'd stolen from Mr. English and from the McMichaels as well, it appears.

They were fed up and intended to hold him until police arrived. I completely get, and endorse, their frustration and their actions.

If it was in the downward pointing ready position I posted above, I'm guessing that qualifies as "brandishing" for sure. I'd expect so.

I hope whatever the legalities of what they did, they do not do any more time than it takes to get to/through trial for removing this criminal from society. I hope the jury lets them off regardless, or that they can't conclusively prove he pointed it, even if he did.

They're probably going to be toast, but I'm hoping that this new treasure trove of video will be shown at trial and establish in the jury's mind that they were reasonable in wanting to hold him until police arrived, and that he was NOT reasonable for attacking and grabbing the gun and punching Travis.

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I keep seeing this theory that Travis pointed the shotgun at Ahmaud at that one point in the video where the truck was still a pretty sizable distance from him.

Why on earth would Ahmaud keep running toward them if the shotgun had been pointed at him at that point?

Also, what I've heard is that Mr. English who owned the property had $2,500 worth of fishing equipment stolen at some earlier point. That's my understanding, and that the McMichaels knew about that event.
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The owner of the property has said he was never burglarized, never robbed.

Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not robbed.

“That’s completely wrong. I’ve never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery,” he said.

English, 50, said he was about 90 miles away in Douglas, Ga., where he lives with his wife and two children, when Arbery was killed. He said he is severely ill and is building the waterfront home as part of his bucket list. But he said it’s now unlikely his family will ever move into the Brunswick home because he’s faced death threats and his wife is too afraid.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...cal-officials-handling-ahmaud-arberys-murder/

And the rest of your mindless speculation has roughly the same connection to reality. Are you just repeating somebody else's racist lies, or making them up yourself? And how do you feel about threatening the life of somebody who tells the truth?
 
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Let's note what his record is:

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/brun...hooting/JkpbvTuJt9wfl3tkcLTTvO/?via=webuproar

So that's all they've got? And we don't even know if he was actually convicted of shoplifting. This is hardly the record of a hardened criminal, certainly no justification for killing him in the street.

The main point of my post and my previous one about this was that it has now been claimed that one of the McMichaels was actually involved in helping with Arbery's prior prosecution. If that is true, that might mean that if the McMichaels recognized him, they could have been already somewhat familiar with who he was as an individual. ...rather than the confrontation being about them going after some generic black guy - as some would seem to suggest.

I don't know.
 
The main point of my post and my previous one about this was that it has now been claimed that one of the McMichaels was actually involved in helping with Arbery's prior prosecution. If that is true, that might mean that if the McMichaels recognized him, they could have been already somewhat familiar with who he was as an individual. ...rather than the confrontation being about them going after some generic black guy - as some would seem to suggest.

I don't know.
So, they lynched a black man with whom they were familiar instead of a stranger? Exactly what difference would that possibly make?
 
The main point of my post and my previous one about this was that it has now been claimed that one of the McMichaels was actually involved in helping with Arbery's prior prosecution. If that is true, that might mean that if the McMichaels recognized him, they could have been already somewhat familiar with who he was as an individual. ...rather than the confrontation being about them going after some generic black guy - as some would seem to suggest.

I don't know.

There has been no report that the ex-cop/investigator recognized him from any previous contact. He doesn't say so in his 911 calls, nor have his defenders made such a claim. It's astonishing that some people are working so hard to rationalize a murder.
 

The owner of the property has said he was never burglarized, never robbed.

This apparently comes from the local NBC affiliate, still working on finding a direct link:

"The homeowner stated he installed cameras due to previous theft of items during construction, including copper piping."
 
There have been news reports saying that the owner of the home under construction had some fishing tackle stolen. I don't know who reported this first. Here's one example, though. Oh, and it looks like CNN may have reported it, too.

The owner of the under-construction home, who is listed as a victim in the police incident report, said his surveillance system captured at least four short clips of a man who appeared to be Arbery "coming onto his property" February 23. He declined to share them with CNN and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he says he's been receiving death threats.

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Prior to Arbery's shooting, the man said in a second interview Wednesday, the cameras on three or four occasions captured someone walking on the property at night -- one time stealing $2,500 of fishing tackle from a boat in his garage -- but he could not identify the perpetrator.

He did not file a police report, he said, but called the incident "unnerving and unsettling."

https://www.kitv.com/story/42102795...and-a-south-georgia-community-demands-justice
 
From The Blaze:

"Larry English, the owner of a home under construction near where Arbery was killed, said someone stole $2,500 in fishing gear from him earlier this year. However, English told The Daily Beast that he never reported the theft to the police. English said his surveillance system captured a man who appeared to be Arbery "coming onto his property" on Feb. 23, but he declined to share the clips according to CNN."

I saw some people on Twitter conjecturing that the guy is older, has serious health problems and may be clamming up or backtracking now that all this attention / heat is on this case and he's saying he's had death threats:

"English, 50, said he was about 90 miles away in Douglas, Ga., where he lives with his wife and two children, when Arbery was killed. He said he is severely ill and is building the waterfront home as part of his bucket list. But he said it’s now unlikely his family will ever move into the Brunswick home because he’s faced death threats and his wife is too afraid."

The Washington Post

So we've somehow gone from "oh yeah, had $2,500 worth of fishing gear stolen and copper piping too"

(presumably the fishing gear was in the boat we see in the garage next to Ahmaud in the earlier, night time videos)

and "oh yeah, got the cameras specifically because things were stolen during construction, including copper piping"

to now "oh no no, no robberies or burglaries ever"

He said he hadn't reported the theft of the fishing gear at the time, probably thought what's the point? But he did put in the cameras.

Apparently there have been armed black panthers outside that house now, as well.

So in this context, with all this attention, maybe he's trying to distance himself from the situation / his previous statements.

We do have him on record with media though saying copper piping + fishing gear + other stuff + got the cameras specifically because of this. And as others have pointed out, people don't often have security cameras set up in an unfinished house. Someone up thread suggested this was in direct reaction to thefts in there, and now that's confirmed by English in earlier statements.

Perhaps if we were speaking to Mr. English he'd clarify "well I just meant I didn't report any to the police, yes some stuff did go missing... and yes I got the cameras because of it, but um, of course I am so sad about Mr. Arbery's death and I-I-I have no reason to think he was involved!!!!"

Unfounded prosecutions and people changing stories out of fear are the kinds of things that can happen when there's a hate mob on the loose.

We now have it confirmed (complete with video) that Ahmaud was in that unfinished house on multiple occasions, at night, back into 2019. Sometimes shirtless, for some reason.

Expect me to believe he visited this place in the dark of night multiple times and bolted when caught in there again, and yet he never took anything from inside? From inside a site we know things went missing from?

LOL

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By the by, just imagine being so stone cold stupid that you come back to the same place over and over again to steal from it, including during the middle of the day on a Sunday, and then when you're caught by concerned neighbors, you charge at one of them who has a shotgun, punch him and try to take said shotgun, and end up dead.

What a complete, worthless, stupid, criminal idiot.
 
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The lies of the McMichaels are being exposed. None of the released videos show that the jogger removed anything from the unfinished house.

The footage from the security camera in the house under construction on the day the jogger was killed would not be known to the McMichaels.

There is no evidence that the McMichaels saw him enter or leave the house. Based on footage from the neighbor's surveillance system we do not see anyone following Arbery when he exited the house.

It would appear that the McMichael's saw a black male running on the street minutes later and decided to ambush and execute him.

The voice of the second 911 call cleary states that there was a black male running on the street- nothing about trespassing.

The jogger was murdered because he was a black male
 
Okay, I found the quoted recusal letter of Attorney General Barnhill in which he said that his son and Gregory McMichael had worked together and that both of them had even helped with the prior prosecution of Ahmaud Abery. ...who had both a juvenile and adult felony record.



The rest of the letter is quoted in this article:

https://www.live5news.com/2020/05/07/gbi-men-charged-with-murder-ahmaud-arbery/


Sounds like some abuse of office has occurred as well. Wonder if that will be investigated... perhaps by their mothers?
 
Everything I’ve heard indicates that they knew the guy building the house and were familiar with his previous thefts he’d endured. I’ve actually been wondering if they possibly had access to the video feed or even installed the security camera in there for him. Time will tell.

Let’s say they were wildly off base though, and Ahmaud was just looking around or even had permission. Okay, those sorts of misunderstandings are usually cleared up with conversation maybe with police adjudicating. Not by fists and bullets flying, which is what Ahmaud chose to force it to come to.


He had a packet of bullets he started pelting the murderers with?
 
Assuming, of course, that Travis McMichael did not point a shotgun at him.

You keep overlooking that possibility, but it really is the entire key to this whole issue.


No it isn’t.

The key to this is that at least 2 people purposefully and with intent murdered an innocent person for no reason at all. They became murderers the moment they decided to arm themselves with lethal weapons when they went to commission a crime.
 
The lies of the McMichaels are being exposed. None of the released videos show that the jogger removed anything from the unfinished house.

The footage from the security camera in the house under construction on the day the jogger was killed would not be known to the McMichaels.

There is no evidence that the McMichaels saw him enter or leave the house. Based on footage from the neighbor's surveillance system we do not see anyone following Arbery when he exited the house.

It would appear that the McMichael's saw a black male running on the street minutes later and decided to ambush and execute him.

The voice of the second 911 call cleary states that there was a black male running on the street- nothing about trespassing.

The jogger was murdered because he was a black male

Actually, you should watch this video

He points out something and shows it in the video from across the street which I hadn't noticed before, though had heard people mentioning.

In the video from the house across the street from the house under construction, which is like 22 minutes and from a bit of a distance (which is part of why I hadn't watched the whole thing) you actually see the following:

1.) Arbery looks around to make sure the coast is clear before entering the dwelling, then enters.
2.) A neighbor from a house across the street (though not the one with this camera, I don't think) comes out and stands in his yard, and calls out to Arbery something most likely indicating police have been called / "hey, get out of there!" or something like that.
3.) Immediately upon the neighbor doing that, in a way we can definitely tell connects the two events, Arbery dashes out of the house and begins running off.

The McMichaels were aware he'd been in that house and knew the individual they were approaching was the individual who'd just been in there.

Not a jogger. Not murdered. Not shot for being a black male.
 
And how do you feel about threatening the life of somebody who tells the truth?

What are you referring to here? The death threat against protests over this?

Ahem


Threat was made by Rashawn Smith, age 20 - black guy did it as a hoax to make whites look bad.
 
Have we established for certain that the guy in the house was actually Arbery?

Yes.

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Same clothing, and we literally have an unbroken chain of:

On video inside the house
Neighbor comes out and yells something
He runs out of house and starts down street

It doesn't appear there was much time, if any, where at least one neighbor didn't have eyes on him from that point forward.
 
That puts us right back "Well just ignore them, it's not like are the ones running the country right now or anything" level, which I do not like.

No, we're not going to ignore them. We're going to keep talking about them, but we will cease talking to them. People like this constitute a problem that warrants a solution. Ignoring them outright is not an option.
 
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