There were no breakins, and nobody except the killers has claimed otherwise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...02f248-9149-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html
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There were no breakins, and nobody except the killers has claimed otherwise.
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Something brought into stark relief on this thread is the vitriol reserved exclusively for "white racists" by the forum locals.
This, both for the Vile Georgian Southern Cracker Scum who Gunned Down A Gentle Giant Black In Cold Blood Who Was Just Like the Guy In The Green Mile, and the one or two posters advocating for the Vile Southern Cracker Scum
You will never see such outright, uninhibited hatred evinced for any other race, ethnicity or demographic here on this "skeptics and critical thinkers" forum. N.E.V.E.R. (you wouldn't dare, you ****** hypocrites).
This, both for the Vile Georgian Southern Cracker Scum who Gunned Down A Gentle Giant Black In Cold Blood Who Was Just Like the Guy In The Green Mile, and the one or two posters advocating for the Vile Southern Cracker Scum
You will never see such outright, uninhibited hatred evinced for any other race, ethnicity or demographic here on this "skeptics and critical thinkers" forum. N.E.V.E.R. (you wouldn't dare, you ****** hypocrites).
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Once again, a thread goes meta as the tribes take their positions.
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Don't imagine for a second that I don't see the obvious racist component here. It's obvious that this murder was committed because the victim was black. It's also obvious that the murderers were going to get away with it because of the local racist power structure.
All I meant to convey is that all excuses based on the victim's history are easily dismissed as irrelevant. What happened is legally indefensible. There is no other response required when one of our forum racists attempts to make such an excuse.
Using my video player "Mplayer," I output cropped 150 by 100 pixel area frames from a 1080P version of the video I downloaded from here (with "youtube-dl"):
"Video shows fatal Brunswick shooting of Ahmaud Arbery"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIve50vSeLQ
...and then with this particular cropped frame I used my "mtPaint" image editor to scale it up to 640 by 480 pixels using one of the available algorithm choices and then tweaked the gamma, contrast and brightness just a little bit and saved it as the .jpg file you see above.
The smaller png version below is just the original 150 by 100 pixel cropped frame output by Mplayer without any modifications.
I have some animated gifs and videos, too, of what is going on here, but they are a bit larger than the allowable file sizes - if those numbers are still valid.
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It all hinges on at what point the prosecutor decided that a crime was committed.
If the prosecutors decide (and they can convince the jury) that the mere act of parking the truck in front of Arbery was sufficient threat to justify Mr. Arbery's actions as self defense, then it's easy to imagine that Greg (not Ed, as I mistakenly said in the last post) McMichael was also guilty. If, however, the prosecutor (or jury) believes that no crime occurred until Travis McMichael pointed the shotgun, it's hard to see how Gregory was also guilty.
This differs from the case of the bank robbers, because in that case it was agreed that all three conspired to commit a crime, and during the course of that crime a person lost his life. In that case, it is easy to see how all three were equally responsible for the murder.
On the other hand, if Gregory McMichael also pointed a gun at Arbery, then obviously he contributed to the threat against Arbery, and so would also bear responsibility for the consequences of that threat.
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While the Smart Ones take up the "middle ground"?
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As an aside, I mentioned a case earlier in which person A robbed a store. During the robbery, person B, an armed bystander attempted to shoot person A. Person B missed person A, but the stray bullet struck and killed person C, another customer at the store.
Person A (the robber) was convicted of the murder of person C (the customer shot by the armed bystander).
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Nope. Some of us just aren't in tribes, so our interpretations are based on the evidence. So everyone hates us. A lonely life, but a satisfying one.
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While McMichael may or may not have pointed the shotgun at Arbery, he is not doing so in that still. Too much of the barrel is visible, meaning it was pointed at the ground or over Travis' shoulder, and it is too far to his right. The barrel is typically sighted with eyes plus or minus down the sights, not a foot to the side of the head.
eta: the lighter object at his right shoulder, presumably the gun, is quite clearly going over his shoulder, not seated into it. If the light object is the shotgun, it is resting on Travis' shoulder, barrel pointed up and behind him. Which makes a lot more sense, regarding why his head is not lined up down the barrel.
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That armed citizen crime investigation is a recipe for disaster of the like of a virtual summary execution for property crime or door wide open for race lynching looks pretty safe ground.
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I guess some of those "middle-grounders" might actually be smart enough to avoid being shot by both sides, but that's not how it usually ends.
I haven't shot a shotgun in 40 years, but I remember enough to know that what we're seeing here isn't quite like my high school teacher taught us to do it.
I'll try to zip up and upload multiple frames, but it may be awhile.
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I still think dad is holding his cellphone, getting it all on video too. If I recall from watching the video, he doesn't unholster his handgun until after the fatal shot's been fired. He messes around for a second before that, which I'm guessing is the time it took to pocket the phone.
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Could be. A 911 call has someone saying, "Travis, No!" or something like that. That could be at that moment. The call stays on, but the caller doesn't talk again. I leaned against that theory because even if he then dropped the phone or put it back in his pocket, if it remained on I think the gunshots would have been audible.
That should be pretty easy for a serious investigation to figure out. Everything here is timestamped so it should be able to be established exactly when those calls were made, and relate it to information in the video.
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I honestly think a lot of the posters (keyboard jockeys) on this forum have allowed their perception to be formed for them not just by the corporate "news outlets" but by popular culture (teevee and movies) in general.
I once read a column by Joe Sobran in which he described a road trip he took with his family across several states (**** you - look it up yourself), which he wanted to do before he was over the hill and they'd 'flown the nest'.
He described stopping in a middle-of-nowhere Southern State diner and his teenage kids being genuinely discomfited to the point of not wanting to get out of the car to eat. He ascertained that the media, anddocumentaries films like Deliverance and Straw Dogs (among many others) had left an impression on them that was quite real in their minds. Funny and sad.
I once read a column by Joe Sobran in which he described a road trip he took with his family across several states (**** you - look it up yourself), which he wanted to do before he was over the hill and they'd 'flown the nest'.
He described stopping in a middle-of-nowhere Southern State diner and his teenage kids being genuinely discomfited to the point of not wanting to get out of the car to eat. He ascertained that the media, and
The attached file should unzip to a 16K 150x100 pixel mp4 file with H.264 encoding. I encoded it using FFmpeg and the x264 encoder set to lossless from individual cropped frames.
If it plays for you, you might want to try watching it looped and full screen if you can. If it doesn't play for you, you might want to try changing the file extension to .mpg or .mkv or .avi before totally giving up. It plays fine with my Linux video players.
This is the small section where Travis is raising whatever he's holding and right before Ahmaud veers to the right.
If it plays for you, you might want to try watching it looped and full screen if you can. If it doesn't play for you, you might want to try changing the file extension to .mpg or .mkv or .avi before totally giving up. It plays fine with my Linux video players.
This is the small section where Travis is raising whatever he's holding and right before Ahmaud veers to the right.
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I keep seeing this theory that Travis pointed the shotgun at Ahmaud at that one point in the video where the truck was still a pretty sizable distance from him.
Why on earth would Ahmaud keep running toward them if the shotgun had been pointed at him at that point?
Also, what I've heard is that Mr. English who owned the property had $2,500 worth of fishing equipment stolen at some earlier point. That's my understanding, and that the McMichaels knew about that event.
I'm hearing people say that on the exterior video of the construction house, Ahmaud walks in but runs out and that he runs out at a point where someone has walked up on the phone outside with 911, so they are saying he ran out in reaction to hearing someone on the phone with police outside. Possible.
People keep saying it's so irrelevant what he was doing in the house, but it's actually very key to understanding this whole thing.
It's about understanding where his mind was at and how he understood the situation. From the start, the defense of his actions (launching an assault, throwing punches, trying to gain control of the shotgun) has been centered around the notion that he believed he was the target of malicious, evil, racist lynching KKK types or at least that he had to assume they could be for his own safety.
That narrative completely falls apart if he was there in a criminal capacity. It would mean he knew exactly what they were all about. Knew they were acting as agents of neighborly concern and summoning law enforcement. It's sounding like he may have even heard one of them / maybe Roddy the guy filming, or another neighbor? On the phone with the police from just outside the house he had trespassed into.
If he darted out of there upon hearing someone calling cops, or if he came out of his own accord but then saw people who would have clearly seen him in there and were reacting to him having been in there, then the entire dynamic is incompatible with the "fear of being murdered or robbed or lynched" BS we've been hearing since page 1. It would mean that his entire conception of himself and his role in the situation, and their role in the situation, would be exactly as the McMichaels portray it: that of a criminal seeking to evade interaction with law enforcement or those seeking to act in a similar capacity / summon law enforcement.
It would mean that his attack upon Travis was done as a self-consciously criminal person and not done out of some innocent "oh my! my morning constitutional hath been interrupted by fiendish rogues! Quickly now, I must do whatever I can to escape this situation with my precious life!" but rather with a mindset of "I'm not going to jail"
Which makes one wonder what he'd have done if he had successfully knocked out Travis or put him off balance with one of those punches, and gained control of the shotgun. Would the next step be murdering the McMichaels with it? Maybe taking their truck and fleeing? Seems a bit far fetched, but people have done similar crazy things and often the initial offense they are trying to escape the consequences of isn't even that serious by comparison to what they do in the effort to evade it. And after all, this is someone who we have seen on video willing to throw punches at a man holding a shotgun while another man has a pistol a few feet away, over a burglary charge.
Why on earth would Ahmaud keep running toward them if the shotgun had been pointed at him at that point?
Also, what I've heard is that Mr. English who owned the property had $2,500 worth of fishing equipment stolen at some earlier point. That's my understanding, and that the McMichaels knew about that event.
I'm hearing people say that on the exterior video of the construction house, Ahmaud walks in but runs out and that he runs out at a point where someone has walked up on the phone outside with 911, so they are saying he ran out in reaction to hearing someone on the phone with police outside. Possible.
People keep saying it's so irrelevant what he was doing in the house, but it's actually very key to understanding this whole thing.
It's about understanding where his mind was at and how he understood the situation. From the start, the defense of his actions (launching an assault, throwing punches, trying to gain control of the shotgun) has been centered around the notion that he believed he was the target of malicious, evil, racist lynching KKK types or at least that he had to assume they could be for his own safety.
That narrative completely falls apart if he was there in a criminal capacity. It would mean he knew exactly what they were all about. Knew they were acting as agents of neighborly concern and summoning law enforcement. It's sounding like he may have even heard one of them / maybe Roddy the guy filming, or another neighbor? On the phone with the police from just outside the house he had trespassed into.
If he darted out of there upon hearing someone calling cops, or if he came out of his own accord but then saw people who would have clearly seen him in there and were reacting to him having been in there, then the entire dynamic is incompatible with the "fear of being murdered or robbed or lynched" BS we've been hearing since page 1. It would mean that his entire conception of himself and his role in the situation, and their role in the situation, would be exactly as the McMichaels portray it: that of a criminal seeking to evade interaction with law enforcement or those seeking to act in a similar capacity / summon law enforcement.
It would mean that his attack upon Travis was done as a self-consciously criminal person and not done out of some innocent "oh my! my morning constitutional hath been interrupted by fiendish rogues! Quickly now, I must do whatever I can to escape this situation with my precious life!" but rather with a mindset of "I'm not going to jail"
Which makes one wonder what he'd have done if he had successfully knocked out Travis or put him off balance with one of those punches, and gained control of the shotgun. Would the next step be murdering the McMichaels with it? Maybe taking their truck and fleeing? Seems a bit far fetched, but people have done similar crazy things and often the initial offense they are trying to escape the consequences of isn't even that serious by comparison to what they do in the effort to evade it. And after all, this is someone who we have seen on video willing to throw punches at a man holding a shotgun while another man has a pistol a few feet away, over a burglary charge.
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New video of Ahmaud just making sure the building was up to code, mostly at what looks to be about 3am, as far back as October:
Link to WSAV3 video from today
So he was in there, sometimes shirtless, over the course of several months. Now apparently none of these videos directly capture him stealing anything? Or so I'm hearing. But the home owner says he had the cameras installed in reaction to things, including copper, going missing.
And then when he installed them, he starts capturing Ahmaud numerous times over several months in there, in the middle of the night. So something tells me Ahmaud had indeed stolen the stuff prior to the cameras being put in. Maybe he got everything good at that point. Maybe he stopped by during the day on the day he died so he could get a better look at what was around there, for reference to come back later.
He seems to have acted like he owned the place for a long time. In this new footage, you can see there was a boat in there. This is also a semi-affluent community. This was probably a decently lucrative site to steal from, at least at first.
Link to WSAV3 video from today
So he was in there, sometimes shirtless, over the course of several months. Now apparently none of these videos directly capture him stealing anything? Or so I'm hearing. But the home owner says he had the cameras installed in reaction to things, including copper, going missing.
And then when he installed them, he starts capturing Ahmaud numerous times over several months in there, in the middle of the night. So something tells me Ahmaud had indeed stolen the stuff prior to the cameras being put in. Maybe he got everything good at that point. Maybe he stopped by during the day on the day he died so he could get a better look at what was around there, for reference to come back later.
He seems to have acted like he owned the place for a long time. In this new footage, you can see there was a boat in there. This is also a semi-affluent community. This was probably a decently lucrative site to steal from, at least at first.
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Oh yeah. It really looks like he is properly shouldering in that view right as the video gets fuzzy. I'd agree that he is raising and pointing the shotgun right at Arbery, and that's when Arbery darts off to the right (behind the cover of the truck).
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