Biden for President?

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"We can't confirm the victim's accusations, even at the victim's own request, because then people would find out that the victim made these accusations, and that would be illegal."
 
Sideroxylon said:
Probably under your bed right now.
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So it seems perfectly normal to you that a person who has a long history of posting harsh criticism of Putin and Putin's Russia would suddenly start posting pro-Putin messages at the same time she accuses the opponent of the person Putin backed in the last election of sexual assault?

To put this in context, we know the Russians did worse in the last election. That is not up for debate. It is a demonstrable fact that Russia interfered in our election.
 
shemp said:
This is true. However, when a hurricane strikes, you can either prepare for it and board up your house and maybe suffer some damage, or do nothing and let it be destroyed. Trump is the latter catastrophe. He is the catastrophe we know, rather than the catastrophe that is possible. Anyone, including Bernie, could be a catastrophe.
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But we know a lot about Biden. Is there anything about him in his public life that would indicate that he would be as grossly derelict in his duties as Trump is being right now?
 
theprestige said:
"We can't confirm the victim's accusations, even at the victim's own request, because then people would find out that the victim made these accusations, and that would be illegal."
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Confidentiality laws are mainly to protect the person making the complaint. We'll have to wait to see if Ms. Reade makes such a request.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
The Secretary of the Senate has announced that any possible complaint against Biden cannot be released, and apparently not even acknowledged, because of confidentiality laws.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...-disclose-information-on-tara-reade-complaint

Doesn't this also imply that there can't be a copy in the collection of Biden's papers at the U. of Delaware?
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Probably. I assume it's her confidentiality, and not his or both (I suspect either the first or third). But she's already shifted so her formal complaint went from an apparent "sexual assault by Joe Biden" to just "harassment" and "retaliation", which is in line with her first story where her supervisor asked her to serve drinks because Biden thought her legs are nice and she's pretty (the complaint here should be against the supervisor, not Biden).

This is what I mean. Credibility is important in these cases, and if your story just changes like this, she's just setting hers to torch. If she was rock-solid, and he was running around panicking, I'd say "Get him off the ticket." It would mean he couldn't possibly "restore the Oval Office", which was his supposed reason for running, with his issues (which he is clearly not being given enough credit for, in my opinion) as secondary.

But that's simply not what is happening.
 
Re: Legality of releasing Reade's complaint in the senate records...
Mumbles said:
Probably. I assume it's her confidentiality, and not his or both (I suspect either the first or third).
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In theory there could also be 3rd parties that would need protection... any witnesses (not necessarily in this case, but in general), people named in the allegations who have not had a chance to defend themselves, etc.
But she's already shifted so her formal complaint went from an apparent "sexual assault by Joe Biden" to just "harassment" and "retaliation", which is in line with her first story...
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The referenced article states that she can't remember just what she said in the complaint... which sounds like she is hedging her bets (in case some paperwork is found and it doesn't correspond to her recent assault accusation.)
 
theprestige said:
"We can't confirm the victim's accusations, even at the victim's own request, because then people would find out that the victim made these accusations, and that would be illegal."
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Ahh. So that's why she changed her story about this...again.
 
Mumbles said:
Probably. I assume it's her confidentiality, and not his or both (I suspect either the first or third). But she's already shifted so her formal complaint went from an apparent "sexual assault by Joe Biden" to just "harassment" and "retaliation", which is in line with her first story where her supervisor asked her to serve drinks because Biden thought her legs are nice and she's pretty (the complaint here should be against the supervisor, not Biden).

This is what I mean. Credibility is important in these cases, and if your story just changes like this, she's just setting hers to torch. If she was rock-solid, and he was running around panicking, I'd say "Get him off the ticket." It would mean he couldn't possibly "restore the Oval Office", which was his supposed reason for running, with his issues (which he is clearly not being given enough credit for, in my opinion) as secondary.

But that's simply not what is happening.
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There is a huge difference between making a formal complaint of harassment and retaliation (being asked to serve drinks and then being put in a basement office) vs being sexually assaulted by a sitting senator. That is not something that a woman would likely forget. As I said, the more we learn about this, the less credible she seems.

(No need to thank me, Sideroxylon!)
 
theprestige said:
No need to appeal to the deep state. We already know the legislature protects their own. They have whole slush funds set up to suppress complaints about their members.
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If they wanted to protect themselves, wouldn't they allow themselves to be informed of who complained about them so that they could fire those persons?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Ok, let's set aside tedious metaphors.

Joe has no interest in radical change. He's said so himself.
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He's not the only one. We have had a taste of radical change with Trump, and it's not good. You seem to think radical change is needed in the opposite direction. I doubt that will be good either. Want to know why? It will only deepen the partisan divide. Right now we need people to put aside their differences and work together for the common good. But that won't happen if we insist on radical change first.

He's a placeholder until something better comes along, which will probably be too late.
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If the 'placeholder' can get us back to where we were it would be great. Even partway back would OK.

One last gasp of the professional managerial class that centrist libs love so much before the jackboots take over.
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You're delusional. The jackboots only take over when radicals have control, never centrists.

Meanwhile, all the "life-boat" bros are bound and gagged in the brig, having annoyed the crew with all their hysterical doom-saying about dangerous icebergs weeks earlier.
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Except it wasn't icebergs they were doom-saying about, and their solution was to steer the boat into one.

the underlying problems in this country remain.
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And the best way to deal with them is to start from a position of stability, not radical change that has a high chance of catastrophe.
 
Craig4 said:
But we know a lot about Biden. Is there anything about him in his public life that would indicate that he would be as grossly derelict in his duties as Trump is being right now?
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He's a Democrat. In the eyes of half the voters that is enough. Now all they have to do is convince the other half, by throwing as much at him as they can. And those stupid liberals will swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
 
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