And yet despite that many people have done so on their own.
In reality, if they were literally aiming for herd immunity, they would intentionally expose healthy and fit young people to the virus and then have them enter quarantine.
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And yet despite that many people have done so on their own.
In reality, if they were literally aiming for herd immunity, they would intentionally expose healthy and fit young people to the virus and then have them enter quarantine.
You don't seriously think they are recording deaths the same way in the US as they are in Sweden, do you? Or are you just that stupid? I have tried to explain this to you, but you refuse to listen and continue to cite those numbers as if they mean something when you have not even made any effort at all to ensure the consistence of the statistics and their definitions.
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I have high hopes for Remdesivir:
Antiviral remdesivir prevents disease progression in monkeys with COVID-19 (NIH, April 17, 2020)
So far, you have had nothing to offer other than your faith in Swedish authorities. You have excelled in a lack of facts and arguments and explained absolutely nothing.
What they have done is to "let healthy and fit young people" infect each other before they returned to their jobs the next morning to infect the elderly and the infirm.
That is the way to achieve heard immunity - after a lot of deaths. A better way would have been to slow the process down and await a vaccine or an effective medical treatment of this disease. For some reason, your Swedish authorities didn't have the patience for that.
By the way, Giesecke does not work for the FHM.
The "strategy", as in most countries without any ability to institute widespread testing, has been to balance the spread of infection and the resultant deaths with the socioeconomic costs of restrictions to commerce and business as well as infringements to personal freedoms.
What a pathetic non-response to my post. Keep on comparing your apples and potatoes.
Yes in your communist utopia there would be no need to make those kinds of compromises but in the real world you have to make tough choices.
That you don't actually believe in the one phrase you invariably resort to becomes apparent whenever you think the numbers prove you right. There are no problems when you compare Sweden with Belgium, for some weird (but very obvious) reason, but whenever I compare Sweden with the other Scandinavian countries, coronavirus deaths suddenly turn into apples and potatoes.
The problem here is that you ONLY compare Sweden to Scandinavian countries. That's called cherry picking.
No, you don't. Maybe you haven't noticed, but whenever I compare Sweden with Denmark or Norway, the comparison is with two countries in the real world, neither of them a "communist utopia" and at least one of them with a Social Democrat as its primeminister - like Sweden (and yet very unlike Sweden, fortunately).
Once again, you've managed to make it apparent to everybody that you don't have an actual argument, one that looks at the "real world" and analyzes it. Instead, you are grasping for straws that will somehow justify your idea that Sweden's authoritarian MO of making "tough choices" is the right thing to do when it obviously isn't.
No, it's not. It's called comparing Sweden with the countries that it is usually compared with. Besides, I've compared Sweden the with the USA as well, which also doesn't seem to please you.
Comparing Sweden with Belgium, of all countries, now that's cherry picking!
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I'm pretty sure that those are not the only countries in the world yet you somehow are fixated on those. Again, this is what's refereed to as "cherry picking".
Except you are the one who keeps on posting statistics that you have not even shown to be comparable at all. You continue to ignore this for some strange reason.
I'm pretty sure it's not considered authoritarian to let people get on with their lives instead of forcibly closing shops and instituting curfews but apparently it is to communists. Freedom is slavery.
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Yeah that especially does not please me because it's quite well known that the statistics coming from the US are not very accurate. But don't let something like that keep you from cheery picking.
I mean you even cited Donald Trump in good faith. Seriously what the ****.
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This is not correct. He is currently a paid advisor to FHM. Says so himself in the unherd interview.
I haven't checked lately, but when I last did a week or so ago, I remained puzzled why Norway could conduct 3 times as many tests as Sweden with half the population.
All mentions of Belgium with regarding to COVID-19 statistics should be required to come with a disclaimer noting that, unlike pretty much everywhere else, and certainly Sweden, they included *suspected deaths* in their statistics.
Yes, comparing the Scandinavian countries is somehow cherry picking, but comparing Sweden and Belgium isn't. We get it.
Yes, I am the one who keeps posting statistics, and you are the one who doesn't!
And you are the one who yells "apples and potatoes" (for some weird reason), and yet you have never pointed at anything that would make the number of coronavirus deaths in Denmark, Norway and Sweden incomparable - for some strange (but very obvious) reason.
No, you are right, it is not considered authoritarian to restrict the people's freedom when it happens because you are trying to contain a virus by preventing people from spreading it. Don't suppress the virus! Contamination is liberty!
(And once again: Norway and Denmark aren't communist countries. It's a delusion to think so.)
So I guess this means that statistics coming from Norway and Denmark are very accurate? That is worth noticing for future references. By the way, Sweden's statistics on deaths tend to lag behind, especially on weekends, right?!
I did? I'm sure that you have a link to the post where I cited Trump, don't you?!
Seriously!
I'm actually surprised that you appear to be so averse to citing Trump! After all, he and his fellow Republicans seem to be busy trying "to balance the spread of infection and the resultant deaths with the socioeconomic costs of restrictions to commerce and business as well as infringements to personal freedoms."
Isn't Trump the guy who wants to LIBERATE Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia from the tyranny of trying to protect people from the virus?
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And the other side of the coin: Here's what healthcare workers in Sweden are saying about the coronavirus
From the US but no less relevant:WATCH: Video of Health Care Workers Confronting Anti-Lockdown Protestors Goes Viral
There were two of the healthcare workers.
The protestor in the car was yelling go to China. Do you suppose she has a clue about the Tiananmen Square tank photo?
Has anyone in Sweden asked the healthcare workers if they feel the policy might be putting some of them at risk?
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Fine.
Well it must be because there's an incredible conspiracy by the FHM to deceive the government, parliament and the public.
I mean that is what you are alleging is occurring, because on one hand "the Swedish strategy" is supposedly about infecting as many people as possible and get herd immunity and yet they are calling on people to "stay at home at the slightest sign of illness, keep away from others and being careful about hand hygiene". That damn Anders and his conspiratorial co-conspirators are subjecting Sweden to a terrifying experiment and they are not even honest about it!
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