Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Of course, if a loving and caring all powerful god wanted to reduce the population on a planet it made, it could also just make a few more and distribute the people there. And at the same time distribute the resources more equally?
And maybe just remove diseases altogether?
And put the planets closer together so the people could still communicate with each other?

And PartSkeptic you never answered my question, if you know that the radiation used in 5G can effect cells, why isn't it being used to cure diseases? If you know how that works all you need to do is perform the experiments (easy, as the frequencies can be made using household appliances) and start the actual work. Nobel prize city right there.

 

[zooterkin]

Latest CT on Facebook, Boris was faking his symptoms for political gain. https://dorseteye.com/was-boris-johnsons-covid-19-condition-contrived

 

[Sherkeu]

After they took all the samples they wanted, a janitor sold the diseased/euthanised bats at the market?

Actually, it doesnt even need to come from the bats directly. If the lab in Wuhan was injecting these bat viruses into other animals to see what happens (previous reports said it was piglets they were using, but why not pangolins too?), the wet market may be a place to get those rarer animals from dealers instead of traveling hundreds of miles to catch them in the wild themselves.

Any infected researcher going to buy animals to test would carry it direct to that market. No 'market' bats are necessary.

This is pure conjecture and we'll likely never know how it truly started. But there are many ways that it gets out of that lab and over to the market.

*I had previously said it was 350m away but it seems the main lab was actually about 20 miles away from the market...still a very short distance compared to the whole country)

 

[Dash80]

I should know better but still these kinds of crackpot theories every time something happens still surprise me. That people can be that idiotic.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Of course, if a loving and caring all powerful god wanted to reduce the population on a planet it made, it could also just make a few more and distribute the people there. And at the same time distribute the resources more equally?
And maybe just remove diseases altogether?
And put the planets closer together so the people could still communicate with each other?

And PartSkeptic you never answered my question, if you know that the radiation used in 5G can effect cells, why isn't it being used to cure diseases? If you know how that works all you need to do is perform the experiments (easy, as the frequencies can be made using household appliances) and start the actual work. Nobel prize city right there.

God is part of the illusion in the dream of the only entity that truly exists - an almost infinite intelligence with no space or time. God has to obey the rules set out. He cannot reveal himself and he cannot make life easier. The infinite intelligence tried that (the Garden of Eden) and found that to be too boring. As Buddha discovered, life is suffering - and then you die. But all is not lost - there is re-incarnation of our souls for some of us. Makes the dream much more interesting.

It is not only 5G but all EMFs. There are Israelis working on using microwave for healing. But it is basically radiation which works by altering cells. Some alterations to a poorly functioning cell may be helpful but it is best not to mess with the cells by disturbing their natural function. Targeted cancer radiation is a last resort.

A big part of the problem is that the pulsations are a key factor. There are also additive effects which are very random. It is very hard to control the various factors. It is even harder (impossible I would say) to experiment on humans en masse to get results by varying all the parameters in a meaningful way.

In vitro experiments are limited by duration, frequency, modulation, reflections and the type of cell. Animal experiments are limited to effects that can be measured such as cancer - not autism, brain function and dysfunction. Brain size is a factor because of the wavelengths.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

God is part of the illusion in the dream of the only entity that truly exists - an almost infinite intelligence with no space or time. God has to obey the rules set out. He cannot reveal himself and he cannot make life easier. The infinite intelligence tried that (the Garden of Eden) and found that to be too boring. As Buddha discovered, life is suffering - and then you die. But all is not lost - there is re-incarnation of our souls for some of us. Makes the dream much more interesting.

It is not only 5G but all EMFs. There are Israelis working on using microwave for healing. But it is basically radiation which works by altering cells. Some alterations to a poorly functioning cell may be helpful but it is best not to mess with the cells by disturbing their natural function. Targeted cancer radiation is a last resort.

A big part of the problem is that the pulsations are a key factor. There are also additive effects which are very random. It is very hard to control the various factors. It is even harder (impossible I would say) to experiment on humans en masse to get results by varying all the parameters in a meaningful way.

In vitro experiments are limited by duration, frequency, modulation, reflections and the type of cell. Animal experiments are limited to effects that can be measured such as cancer - not autism, brain function and dysfunction. Brain size is a factor because of the wavelengths.

Interesting, I've got a degree in genetics and all the problems you mentioned are also present in using UV radiation and/or radioactivity to alter cells, but those methods are functional and extremely tried and tested.
In fact I've used them routinely when I still worked in that field.
Yet here you claim that for microwaves this suddenly becomes an obstacle.

The real reason that it's an obstacle is of course that microwaves cannot alter cells except by cooking them if you truly overdo the energy you put in, but as others have pointed out, sunlight contains more energy than all 'electrosmog' combined.

As per usual with all pseudoscience, it's proponents refuse to look at the implications of their ideas and make up things when challenged.
If the idea would be right, going outside would be suicide, but then again, so would staying inside due to the radiowaves of the sun. And all those who worked on early radar would have been dead in seconds.

As for your other handwave, if your god cannot save this world by interacting with it due to 'rules', then clearly it's also not talking to you, as that would break the rules, and also not responsible for this particular virus, as that would also break the rules. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I support the attempts to fight the virus. Survival of the fittest and the smartest.

In the last year I have had my right knee replaced (the left one was done), gastroscopy and colonoscopy (all clear), a brain MRI, and extensive blood tests. They all show no deviation from the norm.
......

I have been asking the doctor to prescribe twice the anti-fungals I need and have been been hoarding the excess to get me through at least 6 months. I have 3 liters colloidal silver water and some colloidal silver gel.

I support the attempts to fight the virus. Survival of the fittest and the smartest.

You're using a study that links higher mortality from COVID--19 with air pollution, in order to make a case that higher mortality from COVID-19 isn't caused by air pollution? Wat?

That's certainly an interesting take on scientific reasoning...

PartSkeptic, we're all in this together, and I sincerely wish you all the best, but you really should look at the overall implications of your posts.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Eamonn Holmes now spreading 5G Coronavirus conspiracy theory on daytime TV.

If you’re wondering where your auntie is getting this nonsense from it’s not obscure internet conspiracy sites it’s mainstream daytime ITV.

Holmes suggested he believes that 5G may be to blame for Coronavirus and doesn't think you should listen to the "mainstream media" & "state narrative". It's a "legitimate concern and very easy to say it's not true because it suits the state's narrative".

Then Alison Hammond baked some banana bread.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Imagine, presenting your own show on ITV and talking about “mainstream media”.

 

[RedStapler]

The smart ones will recognize the damage that electro-smog does, recognize that prayer works, reconize that my hypothesis is a good one.

No, that's what we call "gullible".

 

[Pixel42]

I've had a pretty long life already, and my suggested course of action has worked out pretty well so far - eight years and counting.

In any case one cannot simply "get some belief". Either the case made is convincing or it isn't. Yours falls a long way short of convincing.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Actually, it doesnt even need to come from the bats directly. If the lab in Wuhan was injecting these bat viruses into other animals to see what happens (previous reports said it was piglets they were using, but why not pangolins too?), the wet market may be a place to get those rarer animals from dealers instead of traveling hundreds of miles to catch them in the wild themselves.

Any infected researcher going to buy animals to test would carry it direct to that market. No 'market' bats are necessary.

This is pure conjecture and we'll likely never know how it truly started. But there are many ways that it gets out of that lab and over to the market.

*I had previously said it was 350m away but it seems the main lab was actually about 20 miles away from the market...still a very short distance compared to the whole country)

Does it make any difference how it got started? It has been known that many countries have bio-labs and we all know that mistakes can be made so a pathogen is released.

It has also been known for decades that animals are reservoirs of pathogens that co-exist with their host but can mutate and transfer to humans in a deadly form. Read the book "Pandemics Progress" that discusses the various concepts. Although it is a 1996 book the concepts are well explained. The mutation could have occurred in a number of countries including the USA. I do feel that the introduction of city-wide 5G MAY have aided in the mutation.

It is my experience that various pathogens transfer and our immune systems deal with them - until the mutation that escapes it. Our dogs got canine demodectic mites (mange), and I got it from them. I could see them breeding in my skin. But not for long. The human immune system kicks in and kills them. There are 26 different variants - for different species.

 

[PartSkeptic]

I've had a pretty long life already, and my suggested course of action has worked out pretty well so far - eight years and counting.

In any case one cannot simply "get some belief". Either the case made is convincing or it isn't. Yours falls a long way short of convincing.

Even the believers need some form of proof rather than my personal anecdotes. I recognize that. So how will the message gain traction? If God wants it out there, then I can only surmise he has a plan.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

The "science" shows that ROS is generated by cell phone microwaves. ROS does the damage, even doing as much as 80% of the damage when ionizing radiation is involved. It is standard science and logic - but feel free to cherry pick your those papers and studies that suit your beliefs. You are appealing to authority when you cite your credentials, but even brilliant people can be blind to what they could not be bothered to see.

The rules are against scientific proof. He can talk to me (or you or others) and give us information which hint at his existence. A statistical study would show that the existence of God is probable since it is the only theory that explains a number of psychic events which are otherwise unexplainable.

The reason for God talking to me, not only about the die-off but about further information about how it all works, is so that humankind can learn and make further advances. Both science and religion have advanced by the discoveries of individuals which then stand the test of time and logic.

Can you show the science that shows cell phone radiation is capable of actually creating Reactive oxygen species? Because physics, chemistry and biology all show that the energy is not sufficient to do so.

And how do you know that your god actually talks to your rather than it being your own conformation bias? Because your track record for predictions is extremely poor. The whole 'I predicted a pandemic' is, as has been pointed out, en par with predicting earthquakes, tornadoes etc.

 

[abaddon]

The "science" shows that ROS is generated by cell phone microwaves. ROS does the damage, even doing as much as 80% of the damage when ionizing radiation is involved. It is standard science and logic - but feel free to cherry pick your those papers and studies that suit your beliefs. You are appealing to authority when you cite your credentials, but even brilliant people can be blind to what they could not be bothered to see.

The rules are against scientific proof. He can talk to me (or you or others) and give us information which hint at his existence. A statistical study would show that the existence of God is probable since it is the only theory that explains a number of psychic events which are otherwise unexplainable.

The reason for God talking to me, not only about the die-off but about further information about how it all works, is so that humankind can learn and make further advances. Both science and religion have advanced by the discoveries of individuals which then stand the test of time and logic.

Except 5G is not ionising radiation which makes your claims false.

 

[Elagabalus]

This one is making the rounds on some ABC affiliate stations. Has it all. Rush Limbot, Victor David Hanson, Stanford, Herd Immunity ...

https://sfist.com/2020/04/10/some-s...us-caused-californias-oddly-early-flu-season/


Comment section is good.

 

[Pixel42]

Eamonn Holmes now spreading 5G Coronavirus conspiracy theory on daytime TV.

If you’re wondering where your auntie is getting this nonsense from it’s not obscure internet conspiracy sites it’s mainstream daytime ITV.

Holmes suggested he believes that 5G may be to blame for Coronavirus and doesn't think you should listen to the "mainstream media" & "state narrative". It's a "legitimate concern and very easy to say it's not true because it suits the state's narrative".

Then Alison Hammond baked some banana bread.

TV host criticised for 5G conspiracy comments

TV host Eamonn Holmes has sparked outcry over comments he made about a false claim linking 5G technology and coronavirus.

The baseless conspiracy theory, which is being spread on social media, has been linked to a number of suspected arson attacks on mobile phone masts in the UK.

On his programme, ITV's This Morning, Holmes said that while he agrees with the description of the conspiracy theory as "ridiculous", it's "very easy to say it is not true because it suits the state narrative”.

It comes after the UK government had deemed it "a crackpot conspiracy theory". Scientists have called the rumours that there is a link between 5G and coronavirus "complete rubbish" and a biological impossibility.
However, that has not stopped false claims being shared on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram and Tik Tok.

Some posts have now been removed, but in recent weeks the conspiracy theory has been shared by verified accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers.

ITV is yet to comment on Holmes’ remarks.

In response to the comments, the government reiterated that those attacking phone masts or abusing telecoms engineers would face “the full force of the law”.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Do you know the Idiocracy movie ? It was so funny back then. Then it became less and less funny. And with this 5G CT it's right out unimaginative and bland. The movie is based on overstating how stupid can people be. But that's the thing - it's impossible.

 

[Axxman300]

Have we got to the part where 5G is a threat to our precious fluids yet?

[fun fact: Actor Sterling Hayden, who played Gen. Jack D Ripper, was OSS during WWII. Surprised he hasn't appeared in any CT's...yet]

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

The mechanism is that calcium channels in the cellular membrane are affected and incorrectly unbalance the ions. This has a chain reaction to over-produce reactive oxygen species.

Can you show actual peer reviewed papers?

God has only "spoken" to me once. And it was like me talking to myself but different enough to think it was not coming from my subconscious without an outside agency.

The fact that it was "confirmed" by my learning of Swine Flu a day later and then having my travel plans changed by unusual weather so that I was forced to fly out of an airport where ten students had Swine Flu and that I flew back to an area where other students had arrived with Swine Flu tells me I was not imagining the message. A week later at the height of the Swine Flu pandemic I "knew" it was not the big one. I was correct. I could have jumped on that "band-wagon" but did not.

This happened in New Zealand. I had gone there from South Africa partly because a clairvoyant told me it was important that I go to a particular area in the South Island. New Zealand is not normally a "hot spot" for pandemics so the importation of Swine Flu was unusual to say the least.

So, how do you know it is not a combination of coincidence and confirmation bias?

I have not said that any other outbreaks were the start. This current outbreak is pretty much on time and so far am right. And I have also said that this will be very bad in terms of death and social disruption so that a new world order comes about. How many others have predicted that?

Everyone? At least everyone that has ever studied an epidemic ever?
In fact, societal disruption and a lot of deaths is what MAKES a disease an epidemic.
So your prediction is akin to claiming one will get wet if one steps out in the rain, true, but not anything clairvoyant.

As for my "record" you are referring to a distorted version which has been generated to discredit me.

A, fake news, like Trump you do not like being confronted with your earlier recorded failures, so now you claim it's a distortion.

To say to me that I had to give details such as time, date and place and numbers so as to be credible is silly. It is denialism. Should I have to give names of victims in the sequence they died?

Yes? After all, that is would would actually show you have some supernatural source of information rather than generic information that the rest of the world also possesses?
See, had you in march last year for instance predicted the city of the first outbreak and what cities and countries would be hit roughly how hard and at what times you'd actually be credible.