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Biden for President?

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For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.
 
Sideroxylon said:
For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.
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She's entitled to be heard and taken seriously. But not necessarily to be automatically believed. For example, what she describes happened in at least a semi-public place; she says she approached Biden from a distance and saw him talking to someone who walked away. To me that means there were other people around, or at least other people could have appeared at any moment; would Biden have pulled something like this when he could have been seen, or where people would have heard her if she screamed? Would he have done this to a woman with whom he apparently hadn't had much interaction? How could he know she wouldn't scream or fight back or call the cops? She should at least be able to say exactly where this happened, especially since it was familiar to her as part of her job, but so far she's been vague about even that.

She might be telling the truth, but we need to know a lot more before we decide.
 
Sideroxylon said:
For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.
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You forgot the " at the start and the " --Joe Biden at the end
 
Like what he actually said?

"But we have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate their experiences, and men should pay attention. And I will. I will also remain the strongest advocate I can be for the rights of women."
 
LSSBB said:
Like what he actually said?

"But we have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate their experiences, and men should pay attention. And I will. I will also remain the strongest advocate I can be for the rights of women."
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Sure. But he said both. The quote provided above by Sideroxylon and your quote.
 
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That was a bit careless. Threads here on Kavanaugh would make for an interesting review of positions and arguments made.
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Yeah, I think the "believe all women" catchphrase is going to die a quick death.

ETA: I'm tending towards not believing that this happened, but am goin to enjoy the pretzel logic defenses.
 
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Bob001 said:
She's entitled to be heard and taken seriously. But not necessarily to be automatically believed. For example, what she describes happened in at least a semi-public place; she says she approached Biden from a distance and saw him talking to someone who walked away. To me that means there were other people around, or at least other people could have appeared at any moment; would Biden have pulled something like this when he could have been seen, or where people would have heard her if she screamed? Would he have done this to a woman with whom he apparently hadn't had much interaction? How could he know she wouldn't scream or fight back or call the cops? She should at least be able to say exactly where this happened, especially since it was familiar to her as part of her job, but so far she's been vague about even that.

She might be telling the truth, but we need to know a lot more before we decide.
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https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-bo...edits-to-campus-sexual-assault-page-after?amp

Text 'you have right to be believed' edited out of Clinton website
 
The guy with various videos showing creepy body language towards girls has a sexual assault allegation against him backed by family members who said they were told about it at the time. Shocking.

We had 20+ candidates, several of which were good options. Congrats on your ****** pick centrist dems. He was Obama VP and the media just repeated he was electable over and over for a year so you went with it. When Trump wins you have no one to blame but yourselves.
 
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The guy with various videos showing creepy body language towards girls has a sexual assault allegation against him backed by family members who said they were told about it at the time. Shocking.

We had 20+ candidates, several of which were good options. Congrats on your ****** pick centrist dems. He was Obama VP and the media just repeated he was electable over and over for a year so you went with it. When Trump wins you have no one to blame but yourselves.
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Actually, if you look back, the media, broadly speaking, was claiming Biden was falling behind and couldn't catch up after Iowa and New Hampshire. He only became front-runner after winning most of the Super Tuesday primaries.
 
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Actually, if you look back, the media, broadly speaking, was claiming Biden was falling behind and couldn't catch up after Iowa and New Hampshire. He only became front-runner after winning most of the Super Tuesday primaries.
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They were pushing for him before he even entered the race. They included him in polling when he wasn't even running yet. There are numerous examples of them excluding pictures and names of other candidates in the race.

And yes they reported about how he was falling behind until south Carolina and then it was right back to pushing for him heavily leading up to super Tuesday.
 
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Aside from how the newsies kept pushing him at us before he started running, there's the way that, even when he entered and then fell behind, they mostly tried to hide it and act like it wasn't happening. And even when they acknowledged it, it was in the form of what a baffling mystery it was and what's wrong with the voters and how it doesn't really count and chastising the voters to try to get us to fall in line.
 
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