Cont: 2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 3

[Skeptic Ginger]

Death rate in U.S. is low because the case spike is still happening.

Check back next weekend.

On the other hand, deaths vs. recoveries looks atrocious.

This is another good point illustrating why comparing these numbers is useless.

 

[The Atheist]

Could be a time thing. If someone is going to die it happens quicker than someone being diagnosed as fully over it.

It is a time thing, but not for that reason.

Being diagnosed as cured requires a clear test, which can take weeks. On the other hand, some people are in ICU for weeks. I don't know whether anyone's checked the accuracy of Diamond Princess cases, but they've been showing 15 critical for a month.

USA's rate of deaths : current cases is increasing, which is an artifact of the slow onset of severe symptoms.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Dr. Didier Raoult has released another "study". He again claims that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin showed effectiveness; however, instead of a control group for comparison he compared the results of his experiment with a supposed typical distribution of outcomes (he justified not using a control group by claiming that the Hippocratic Oath prevented him from not giving the drugs to everyone who was willing to try them).

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27...eated-80-coronavirus-patients-significant-dr/

I report, you decide.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

The US still has thousands (probably tens of thousands) of cases not being counted because we still don't have enough tests. A country like Germany is testing everyone with any chance of being infected.

More likely hundreds of thousands, especially if asymptomatic cases are included.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Wonder why cases are so high in NYC.

 

[Marcus]

Wonder why cases are so high in NYC.

High population density, lots of travelers, poor compliance with safety protocols. Same goes for New Orleans really. For these reasons, I'm thinking we may escape the worst here in Austin, 160 cases and 1 death so far.

 

[a_unique_person]

Also Florida is a bit spot. High density living with people used to going out to eat more often is going to raise the infection rate.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

An article that includes the claim that SARS-COV-2 could not have been transferred from a pangolin:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-no-evidence-coronavirus-jumped-pangolin-people

 

[Kings Full]

I don't use Twitter, I don't have an account.
My statement were facts which you are frantically trying to deny.

LOL...


You're statements are fact yet you provide no citations.


I'm trying to frantically deny yet I'm providing citations.


Enjoy the delusion. You've earned it.

 

[William Parcher]

An article that includes the claim that SARS-COV-2 could not have been transferred from a pangolin:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-no-evidence-coronavirus-jumped-pangolin-people

That's a rewrite of the same research I posted upthread.

 

[Trebuchet]

Also Florida is a bit spot. High density living with people used to going out to eat more often is going to raise the infection rate.

Not closing beaches so as to rake in those spring break $$$$ doesn't help. But of course they sent most of those people back to other states they want to close their borders to.

 

[marting]

Thanks. He doesn’t feel unwell at all, with his fever over before the diagnosis. Boredom is his biggest problem. He’s a very fit and active 28 year old and to be confined to a hotel room with a small balcony must be tough.

There were 100 new diagnosed cases on the day his test results came back. Such long odds which never seem to hit with lottery tickets....

Best of luck for your friend. He's very highly likely to come through it.

Funny how that works. A good friend of ours won the lottery (8 figures) but we don't know anyone that has coronavirus. Yet.

 

[William Parcher]

Coronavirus social distancing limit is at least four times too short because infectious droplets can fly much further than current 6 foot (2 metre) restriction, study warns

The UK's coronavirus social distancing limit is at least four times too short, a study has warned.

The public are currently being asked to keep a distance from each other of at least 6ft 6in (2 metres). But a new study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) suggests the gap should be four times bigger at around 26 feet (8 metres).

The study, which was reported by the Telegraph, found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of between 33 and 100ft per second (10 metres to 30 metres).

This creates a cloud within the atmosphere that can span approximately 23ft to 27ft (7 metres to 8 metres) to neighbouring people. It has also been warned that droplets, which contribute to the rapid spread of Covid-19, can remain suspended in the air for several hours.

And their direction can easily be changed by air ventilation systems to create 'turbulent clouds of air.'

Many people are now finding themselves in close quarters with others on a daily basis, with supermarkets still feeling the effects of mass panic buying of products.

In London, despite persistent calls from the Government for only essential workers to continue with the morning commute, images have revealed packed carriages on the London Underground. The authors of the MIT study offered further clarity on their findings, and detailed why social distancing needs to be increased within the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

'These distances are based on estimates of range that have not considered the possible presence of a high-momentum cloud carrying the droplets long distances,' they said. 'Given the turbulent puff cloud dynamic model, recommendations for separations of three feet to six feet (1 metre to 2 metres) may underestimate the distance, timescale, and persistence over which the cloud and its pathogenic payload travel, thus generating an underappreciated potential exposure range for a healthcare worker...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cing-EIGHT-metres-avoid-coronavirus-risk.html

 

[lionking]

Best of luck for your friend.

My son.

My wife is doing it hard. She’s been caring for our four grandkids for a couple of days a week to zero contact now. Who knows when this will change.

 

[a_unique_person]

Private hospitals say that without elective surgery they will have to shut down as they won't be making any money.

Australia's private hospitals face closure after coronavirus causes elective surgery ban

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ry-ban?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

[casebro]

Death rate in U.S. is low because the case spike is still happening.

Check back next weekend.

On the other hand, deaths vs. recoveries looks atrocious.

That early die off thing. The most susceptible are those so bad off they are already in hospice or ICU. Or those in homes, they can't take care of them selves like the rest homes in Washington.

I believe that was the case in Italy.

 

[casebro]

I can't think of any obese men that are over 80 y/o, but maybe there are.

But the over 80s are not the obese, they are the multi-factorials.

And the obese are the greatly obese, over 40 bmi. And I think the diabetics are also BMI over 40.

And the heart disease is nit just angina, but "severe heart disease".

The "high risk group" is pretty small. Not everybody in Medicare.

 

[The Atheist]

Dr. Didier Raoult has released another "study". He again claims that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin showed effectiveness; however, instead of a control group for comparison he compared the results of his experiment with a supposed typical distribution of outcomes (he justified not using a control group by claiming that the Hippocratic Oath prevented him from not giving the drugs to everyone who was willing to try them).

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/27...eated-80-coronavirus-patients-significant-dr/

I report, you decide.

That is interesting, and I agree with the doc on using placebos.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

That's a rewrite of the same research I posted upthread.

But mine was published the same day as another article that claimed that pangolins could have been the source:

https://www.genomeweb.com/sequencing/sars-cov-2-related-coronaviruses-found-pangolins#.Xn_8m0BFzIU

 

[Fast Eddie B]

You may recall my wife and I were quite sick here in Tennessee for most of the month of January, with symptoms very much like coronavirus. Sicker than I’ve been in my adult life. And I wondered if maybe coronavirus had been circulating in the US before anyone became aware of it.

Looks like that might not have been so farfetched:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/did-...oms-antibody-tests_l_5e7cb319c5b6cb9dc19b74b4