2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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Mayor de Blaso of NYC orders a shelter i nplace order;the Governor does not agree, apparentlly.
US Deaths hit 100.
I got a feeling another bloodbath tommorow on Wall Street.
And four New Jersey Nets have tested positive.
Time for the NBA to just cancel the rest of the season. DOn't know why the hell they are putting it off.
 
casebro said:
And Dude Albie is just a Dude. Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

No denial on my behalf, I was merely looking ahead to how it is going to end. You seem to be in denial, like it is never going to end? I proposed a scenario, what is yours?

NOTHING going on now is thought to prevent the eventual exposure of us all, it is all just to delay the swamping of the resources. So let's move the discussion forward to how is it going to taper off? Or are we all going to stay in our bomb shelters for ever?
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That may be true for those of us who live in the US.

The governments of China, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, S Korea, maybe even N Korea, and Japan (?), and ... seem to be working very very hard to ensure that there is no such eventual universal exposure*.

The UK government has apparently concluded, recently, that this is not possible, that eventually almost everyone in the UK will be exposed.

I do not know what the governments of, say, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, or even Canada (to pick just a few examples of places with enough resources - including legal - to at least try) are aiming to do.

*Once (if?) a highly effective vaccine becomes widely deployed, this may become a rather moot concept.
 
The Atheist said:
or soak in nappy solution for a couple of hours.

I can't see how that's inferior to poorly-fitting paper masks. Probably better, to my mind.
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What would you make nappy solution out of? We're gearing up right now to make masks but do not know how to wash them and I can't find much good info
 
Detection of Covid-19 in Children in Early January 2020 in Wuhan
(NE Journal of Medicine)

A 'retrospective' study of 366 kids in Wuhan hospitals for respiratory illness between Jan7-Jan15 found 6 cases of Covid-19.

This study showed that Covid-19 occurred in children, causing moderate-to-severe respiratory illness, in the early phase of the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak in Wuhan and was associated with ICU admission in one patient. None of the patients or their family members had had direct exposure to Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (the initial location to which cases of Covid-19 were linked) or to one another. It is worth mentioning that we unexpectedly found a case of Covid-19 in one patient (Patient 3) who resided outside Wuhan; this patient had illness onset on January 2, 2020. The patient and her family were residents of the Yangxin area of Huangshi and had not traveled outside the city in the month before illness onset. We have not identified the source of infection for this patient. Our findings indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infections in children were occurring early in the epidemic.
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Trebuchet said:
You know, there's being cautious and then there's just being silly.
I had to go into town to pick up prescriptions, so I did some minor shopping (cat litter was on a good sale) as well. When I parked at the supermarket there was a lady nearby with a heavily loaded cart. She was in the process of spraying some sort of sanitizer on her rubber boots.,
When I came out half an hour or so later, she was still there, taking items out of her shopping one by one, wiping them down, and putting them in a different bag. She was of course wearing gloves.
I noticed four dozen eggs in her car.
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There are always extremes. Her counterpart on the other side would be walking down the aisles trying to touch every item because s/he's not afraid of some stupid virus that only kills old sick people.
 
Giordano said:
He is actually an Associate Professor (meaning he obtained tenure, not easy to do) of Epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology, and a faculty member in the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at Harvard. ...
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Planigale adopted a very hard line against this Prof. elsewhere on these forums and cannot possibly rein-in now.

Planigale said:
He is a non-medically qualified researcher in bacterial genetics of antibiotic resistance. Not a clinician, not a virologist and certainly not someone who has published on the mathematical modelling of the transmission of infectious diseases. So slightly less well qualified than I am to comment.
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Planigale knows better and has better qualifications. I'm impressed.
 
dudalb said:
Mayor de Blaso of NYC orders a shelter i nplace order;the Governor does not agree, apparentlly.
US Deaths hit 100.
I got a feeling another bloodbath tommorow on Wall Street.
And four New Jersey Nets have tested positive.
Time for the NBA to just cancel the rest of the season. DOn't know why the hell they are putting it off.
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They're not playing games, so it's not currently a problem. They may simply be hoping that they can play the rest of the season (or an abbreviated one, or just playoffs) in a couple months. If they end up not being able to do any of that, they won't. That seems reasonable to me.
 
My state's university system is now online only for the rest of the school year. As an already online only student, my only worry is that their servers can handle the added load.
 
casebro said:
Didn't I read that the CDC test is also a SARS test? How many died of sars, difference?
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SARS 1 was stopped in its tracks because every case was visible. SARS 2 (COVID 19) has silent and unrecognized spreaders.

MERs CoV has yet to spread person to person in a significant way.
 
pipelineaudio said:
What would you make nappy solution out of? We're gearing up right now to make masks but do not know how to wash them and I can't find much good info
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Use homemade masks as a last resort but if you do, do it right.

Simple Respiratory Mask
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/php/87/87_letter.pdf
CIDRAP - Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy suggests this homemade mask because it has been tested.

"The article contains specific instructions on how to construct a handmade mask, which was tested against an aerosol challenge with some measurable benefit. The authors of this brief study admit that there are problems with the masks' overall efficacy and risk of improper construction or use. Since cottage industries for masks may arise during a pandemic, it is crucial to list possible effective alternatives and limitations in their use. One reviewer suggested that if people will be inclined to use any protection they can acquire during a pandemic, it may be good practice to test possible alternatives prior to a health emergency. This practice may represent an alternative to using respirators or surgical masks that may be in short supply during a pandemic, and it may stimulate exploration of other PPE possibilities."
 
GlennB said:
Planigale adopted a very hard line against this Prof. elsewhere on these forums and cannot possibly rein-in now.



Planigale knows better and has better qualifications. I'm impressed.
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Whether I do or not (and I may do!) is irrelevant to whether a bacterial geneticist is an expert on health policy.
 
dudalb said:
Time for the NBA to just cancel the rest of the season. DOn't know why the hell they are putting it off.
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I don't know if it applies to the NBA, but the financial and insurance considerations are sometimes different on venue contracts for "cancelled" versus "postponed".


With the NBA that probably isn't as big of a deal as it is for smaller events, but it might play a role.
 
I see that there are 65 positive tests in Michigan as of today, and 38% of those are hospitalized.

Just like the flu, right?
 
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