2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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You can tell Trump anything, but it doesn’t mean he’ll listen or understand. It was clear at the CDC press conference that he didn’t comprehend anything other than people sucking up to him.

The way people walk on eggshells around him, and the way he fires anyone who disagrees with him, it's more than incompetrump not listening. He intimidates people who give him bad news.


On the local front, one of our ED docs is now in critical care. Evergreen hospital took the brunt of Life Care patients including during the time the health department assured health care workers that one need not consider COVID unless the ill person had a travel history of exposure.
 
UK is going with “herd immunity” rather than trying to control the virus.

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Will be interesting to see if this proves to be a worse or better strategy.

"In six months we will know whether that was a monumental and deadly mistake or a brave and effective decision to swim against the global tide."
 
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My claims that Osteopaths believe in Osteopathy? Are you serious?

Yeah, I'm serious. Are you paying attention?

In the first place, your claim wasn't "Osteopaths believe in Osteopathy" It was a claim that a particular site support the claim that Trump's doctor practices the woo-ish aspects of Osteopathy.

In the second place, it is not at all clear that "Osteopaths believe in Osteopathy" because, as has been cited in this thread, a lot of DOs don't practice OMT after they graduate. A lot of people have the label "Osteopath" without it being at all clear that they believe in OMT.

The original claim was something like "Trump's doctor is a woo" and we don't really know that. We know he went to a school that teaches some small amount of woo. It appears otherwise to be a top medical school, top 10% it seems.
 
Yeah, I'm serious. Are you paying attention?

In the first place, your claim wasn't "Osteopaths believe in Osteopathy" It was a claim that a particular site support the claim that Trump's doctor practices the woo-ish aspects of Osteopathy.

In the second place, it is not at all clear that "Osteopaths believe in Osteopathy" because, as has been cited in this thread, a lot of DOs don't practice OMT after they graduate. A lot of people have the label "Osteopath" without it being at all clear that they believe in OMT.

The original claim was something like "Trump's doctor is a woo" and we don't really know that. We know he went to a school that teaches some small amount of woo. It appears otherwise to be a top medical school, top 10% it seems.

My primary care physician is an Osteopath. I've been going to him for almost thirty years. I chose him simply because, at the time, he was the only doctor in the small town I had just moved to who was accepting new patients. He is a very competent doctor, and it's quite clear from our discussions that he does not believe in the woo aspects of Osteopathy.
 
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From 538:

Will Coronavirus Happen Every Year Like The Flu?

Could spring be the thing that saves us from the novel coronavirus? President Trump has suggested as much, telling a rally that “heat generally speaking kills this kind of virus” so “[the virus] will go away in April.” It’s not a totally bizarro suggestion, given that flu and polio and a lot of other viruses really are seasonal, usually with transmission spiking in the colder winter months.

But — and you knew the “but” was coming — experts say we don’t yet know enough about coronavirus to tell whether it’s likely to be seasonal. More importantly, though, a virus doesn’t just “go away” because it’s warm. If coronavirus cases drop off in summer, that just means there’s a risk of it resurging in fall. And if it does come back — that means our efforts to actually stop it have failed.
 
This weekend my company designated all employees over 60 as being in the “at risk” group. We are authorized to work at home for the foreseeable future. I have my laptop and cell phone at home with me so I can essentially self isolate. This provides considerable comfort to me.
 
UK is going with “herd immunity” rather than trying to control the virus.

LINK

Will be interesting to see if this proves to be a worse or better strategy.

"In six months we will know whether that was a monumental and deadly mistake or a brave and effective decision to swim against the global tide."

IMHO Vallance is a crackpot .
 
Has the number of reported cases OUTSIDE China passed the number INSIDE yet?

What about the number of reported deaths?

Both passed the China total today, and at the rate we're going, cases and deaths outside China will be double theirs in a couple of days.

I have to say, this is starting to look a touch serious.

Mobird, selfish, smart, stupid?
Although our state has only had a couple cases so far, it seems inevitable that the virus will hit. As one in a moderate-risk group, I have to wonder, would it be more practical to get infected sooner?

I've made that comment several times - get it early, before the systems get swamped.

If hospitals in your area go the way Italy's have, if you hit when they way past peak and have chronic diseases, they'll leave you to die and treat people they think they have a higher chance of saving.

But it's probably much better not to get it.

... "Osteopaths believe in Osteopathy"...

Just a general request that maybe we could move that discussion to a new thread, or even the Trump/Covid thread?

Thanks!
 
I love the "heat kills this kind of virus" claim. Unfortunately, the corona virus does not seem to have any trouble withstanding 98.6F inside of a human.
 
Where are we at?

The current case load of 169,000 is light. I don't think anyone doubts that.

By far the most accurate guides to what's really going on are South Korea and the Diamond Princess. The ship gives perfect information, because not only is a known and finite number of cases, it skews towards the aged as well.

Diamond Princess has a current death total at 7, almost a perfect 1%, and 15 patients still listed at serious. The serious cases have been dropping and the deaths haven't been rising, and even if all that 15 died - which I'm sure they won't - it would give a death rate of 3%.

From that, we can be fairly sure the death rate anywhere won't be worse, aside from possible treatment bottlenecks causing higher than necessary deaths.

On to South Korea. They have tested 300,000 people, have instigated strict quarantine and isolation rules and they have shut the disease down. New cases are running at less than 1% growth for the past two days. Their mortality rate looks quite steady at around 1% of cases.

It's pretty bloody obvious to me that we should all be following SK, but none of us are.

Assuming 60% of the population gets it, I think we're looking at a population-wide base mortality figure of 0.6%, rising to around 0.8 due to overcrowding and many countries where care may not be as good as some developed countries will hopefully have.

That's 60,000,000 deaths worldwide.

I think it's probably worth trying to avoid that scenario.

Whether we can or not remains to be seen, because it's too late for most places to act in the way SK has. The best most of us can hope for is to repeat China's position - shutting the gate after it's bolted, but managing it anyway, albeit at enormous economic cost.
 
The herd immunity is complete bollocks, but I think there's a good economic case to let it run its course.

It's particularly insane if they're calling anything under 90% "herd immunity." 70% is basically deciding to let thousands (or a lot more) die.

Even if a vaccine became available in monstrous quantities tomorrow, herd immunity (90-95% coverage) would likely take at least months.
 
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From that, we can be fairly sure the death rate anywhere won't be worse, aside from possible treatment bottlenecks causing higher than necessary deaths.

That's a massive "aside from".

I think that we can see from Italy and Iran what the "aside from" results in.

Italy, particularly the north, is part of the rich world. Iran less so, but not extremely impoverished.

Imagine this happening in even more under-developed countries.
 
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